Video Shows Russian Fighter With Ukrainian Skull, Says He'll Make a Goblet

[hometeam]

I’ll probably agree with you, since the video is pure propaganda.

Your definition of propaganda and most other people's definition is quite different then. It's not like the Ukrainians put on this show to shore up support, it's something that really happened, was recorded and went viral on the internet. And not inaccurate, false, or misleading in any way. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's propaganda. And you have no rational, or logical reasoning for labelling it that.

Is there no other than money, the struggle for power. More precisely, all for the sake of power and its feeling. Is money just a tool or am I wrong?

Yeah you might want to read a little about causes of war. There are many: land (Israel), religion (ISIS), nationalism (Ukriane), racism (serbs/croats, sunni/shia), imperialism... and there can be several causes.

Now there's often conflict over resources of some type and war profiteers out there but to say it all boils down to money would be misinformed. That Ukrainian didn't put himself in a situation where a Russian is now drinking from his skill over money. Our attacking Afghanistan after 9/11 was not about money.

 

[MR_Midas]

Your definition of propaganda and most other people's definition is quite different then. It's not like the Ukrainians put on this show to shore up support, it's something that really happened, was recorded and went viral on the internet. And not inaccurate, false, or misleading in any way. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's propaganda. And you have no rational, or logical reasoning for labelling it that.

I admit that maybe I'm wrong, but in turn you say so, as if you saw it with your own eyes, it's very wrong for me. Therefore, I think you don’t know the truth, not you, not me, each of us has our own position.

 

[MR_Midas]

Your definition of propaganda and most other people's definition is quite different then. It's not like the Ukrainians put on this show to shore up support, it's something that really happened, was recorded and went viral on the internet. And not inaccurate, false, or misleading in any way. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's propaganda. And you have no rational, or logical reasoning for labelling it that.


Yeah you might want to read a little about causes of war. There are many: land (Israel), religion (ISIS), nationalism (Ukriane), racism (serbs/croats, sunni/shia), imperialism... and there can be several causes.

Now there's often conflict over resources of some type and war profiteers out there but to say it all boils down to money would be misinformed. That Ukrainian didn't put himself in a situation where a Russian is now drinking from his skill over money. Our attacking Afghanistan after 9/11 was not about money.

Power and money are inseparable, it is often one called politics. And the struggle for resources is one of the tools to benefit and have power.

 

[hometeam]

@Chuck Spears @theotherguy @MR_Midas
Does anyone doubt their brutality anymore? They've gone full on ISIS. Will probably make a goblet out of him too.

‘Traitor’: Brutal footage shows sledgehammer execution of Russian fighter

Brutal footage has emerged that purports to show the execution of a Russian fighter who changed sides to fight for the Ukrainians and was blasted by a Putin ally as a “traitor.”

nypost.com

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/markito0171/status/1591702594447097856

 

[theotherguy]

@Chuck Spears @theotherguy @MR_Midas
Does anyone doubt their brutality anymore? They've gone full on ISIS. Will probably make a goblet out of him too.

‘Traitor’: Brutal footage shows sledgehammer execution of Russian fighter

Brutal footage has emerged that purports to show the execution of a Russian fighter who changed sides to fight for the Ukrainians and was blasted by a Putin ally as a “traitor.”

nypost.com

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/markito0171/status/1591702594447097856

Reread my posts and tell me where I said it wasn’t real. It’s fucking war dude.

Once again, my only point was that it’s one sided the way they call out the brutality. I guarantee the Ukrainians are doing the same shit.

 

[hometeam]

Reread my posts and tell me where I said it wasn’t real. It’s fucking war dude.

Once again, my only point was that it’s one sided the way they call out the brutality. I guarantee the Ukrainians are doing the same shit.

No that's the sort of stuff that gets you charged with crimes and in front of a court in most modern countries, especially with hard evidence like this. Both of these videos were of Wagner Group Russian mercenaries and they are quite proud of themselves.

If the Ukrainians are doing stuff like that you sure aren't seeing it. And you might say "hey, if my country was invaded I might do something like that too." But instead no, you're seeing this from the Ukrainian side:

View: https://twitter.com/PaulJawin/status/1578130675751944198?s=20&t=9gUYvUdjbIloZiLlYVmgtg

 

[theotherguy]

No that's the sort of stuff that gets you charged with crimes and in front of a court in most modern countries, especially with hard evidence like this. Both of these videos were of Wagner Group Russian mercenaries and they are quite proud of themselves.

If the Ukrainians are doing stuff like that you sure aren't seeing it. And you might say "hey, if my country was invaded I might do something like that too." But instead no, you're seeing this from the Ukrainian side:

View: https://twitter.com/PaulJawin/status/1578130675751944198?s=20&t=9gUYvUdjbIloZiLlYVmgtg

You are proof the propaganda machine works well.

I understand you enjoy arguing with people and I probably should quit feeding into it, but it’s interesting to me that you’re changing your argument once I proved you wrong about me saying it wasn’t real

 

[MR_Midas]

@Chuck Spears @theotherguy @MR_Midas
Does anyone doubt their brutality anymore? They've gone full on ISIS. Will probably make a goblet out of him too.

‘Traitor’: Brutal footage shows sledgehammer execution of Russian fighter

Brutal footage has emerged that purports to show the execution of a Russian fighter who changed sides to fight for the Ukrainians and was blasted by a Putin ally as a “traitor.”

nypost.com

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/markito0171/status/1591702594447097856

It all looks terrible

 

[hometeam]

You are proof the propaganda machine works well.

I understand you enjoy arguing with people and I probably should quit feeding into it, but it’s interesting to me that you’re changing your argument once I proved you wrong about me saying it wasn’t real

Well to me if you're not saying it's false or misleading you have no argument from me. At that point it's a piece of information you're free to have whatever opinion on you want.

It does kind of remind me of the American Blackwater mercenary group massacre in Iraq. There was a lot of talk about how mercenaries aren't subject to the same rules of engagement or treaties like the Geneva Convention. And when they come under fire they can't call up an Apache gunship for reinforcement.

But you'd never see something this bold and proud from Blackwater, and 4 of those Blackwater contractors went to prison. Blackwater had to change their name due to the bad publicity. It seems this Wagner Group has taken on this terrifying genocidal murderous invader persona and been allowed to run a bit astray from what you'd expect from a modern professional military. I think I've read that the owner of this group is someone Putin himself doesn't want to mess with.

 

[hometeam]

It also looks like this Wagner Group has been recruiting in Russian prisons... murderers, rapists, robbery, etc.

Russian Wagner Group recruiting more from prisons, remote areas: Report

The number of prisoners recruited to fight in Ukraine has risen to 20,000, with 5,000 recruited in one week, a prisoner rights advocate says.

www.newsweek.com

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa6VuUd31qA

20,000 prisoners are fighting for the Wagner Group in Ukraine. If they fight for 6 months they get amnesty and a $3500 pay check. So even if they were tried and convicted of war crimes in Russia, Wagner can just go pick them up from prison and put them back in the battle.

 

[Dirkdigglerr]

Hes going to make a goblet and drink out of it but can't hold it without wearing a glove? Dohkay buddy.

 

[hometeam]

Hes going to make a goblet and drink out of it but can't hold it without wearing a glove? Dohkay buddy.

Actually for me I'm a medical worker who wears a new set of vinyl gloves every time I go into a patient's room that looks like a good idea. But in it's raw unfinished form it probably has sharp edges and teeth you would want to protect your hands from, buddy.

Maybe not as risky if held by the occipital bone but notice he's holding it from the teeth. I would be more suspicious if he wasn't wearing gloves. A finished skull goblet would look like this:

 

[MR_Midas]

Actually for me I'm a medical worker who wears a new set of vinyl gloves every time I go into a patient's room that looks like a good idea. But in it's raw unfinished form it probably has sharp edges and teeth you would want to protect your hands from, buddy.

Maybe not as risky if held by the occipital bone but notice he's holding it from the teeth. I would be more suspicious if he wasn't wearing gloves. A finished skull goblet would look like this:
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The picture personifies what a fierce fuck is going on there in Ukraine, like those who control the drink from the skulls of dead people.

 

[Dirkdigglerr]

Actually for me I'm a medical worker who wears a new set of vinyl gloves every time I go into a patient's room that looks like a good idea. But in it's raw unfinished form it probably has sharp edges and teeth you would want to protect your hands from, buddy.

Maybe not as risky if held by the occipital bone but notice he's holding it from the teeth. I would be more suspicious if he wasn't wearing gloves. A finished skull goblet would look like this:
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Well yes, I would expect a medical worker to wear gloves. That was my point. This guy is claiming to be a savage tough guy. A savage tough guy is not going to be worried about getting a little scratch on his soft hands.

 

[hometeam]

Well yes, I would expect a medical worker to wear gloves. That was my point. This guy is claiming to be a savage tough guy. A savage tough guy is not going to be worried about getting a little scratch on his soft hands.

Well all you and I can do is speculate on the gloves. It may not be his first skull. He may have already gotten a gash from handling it or others. It might be fake, but I doubt it... gloves for a plastic skull?

But we do know he is 36 years old, he comes from Moscow, he has or had a Facebook page, as well as a Vkontakte page, he's married with a 14 yr old, went to the St. Petersburg Naval Institute and he was a soldier for Wagner:

 

[MR_Midas]

Well yes, I would expect a medical worker to wear gloves. That was my point. This guy is claiming to be a savage tough guy. A savage tough guy is not going to be worried about getting a little scratch on his soft hands.

Usually such people end up wishing that they behave so imprudently in life.

 

[MR_Midas]

Well all you and I can do is speculate on the gloves. It may not be his first skull. He may have already gotten a gash from handling it or others. It might be fake, but I doubt it... gloves for a plastic skull?

But we do know he is 36 years old, he comes from Moscow, he has or had a Facebook page, as well as a Vkontakte page, he's married with a 14 yr old, went to the St. Petersburg Naval Institute and he was a soldier for Wagner:

I correctly understood he is married to 14 girls? or I'm wrong.

 

[theotherguy]

Hey @hometeam check out the NYT article about the Ukrainian soldiers executing 10 Russian POW’s.

My only point is that both sides are equally fucked up and corrupt. It isn’t just the Russians. Don’t believe the hype about the poor, innocent Ukrainians.

Also recall that Zelensky told trans women that they are men and must stay and fight in the war, they’re not allowed to flee.

Let’s not even get into the FTX corruption

 

[MR_Midas]

Hey @hometeam check out the NYT article about the Ukrainian soldiers executing 10 Russian POW’s.

My only point is that both sides are equally fucked up and corrupt. It isn’t just the Russians. Don’t believe the hype about the poor, innocent Ukrainians.

Also recall that Zelensky told trans women that they are men and must stay and fight in the war, they’re not allowed to flee.

Let’s not even get into the FTX corruption

Everything is so of course that both sides are mired in corruption. But the war has come to the home of the Ukrainians, and they are defending their home of valuable life.

 

[hometeam]

Hey @hometeam check out the NYT article about the Ukrainian soldiers executing 10 Russian POW’s.

The difference is in how each side handles the atrocity. I've seen parts of the Russian POW video and it appears that one of the surrendering troops started firing, or at least they thought so. I'm sure there will be an investigation.

But when you put 20,000 murderers, rapists and robbers from Russian prisons into uniform for a mercenary outfit not subject to the Geneva Convention, with an owner the Russian President is even scared of, and have them start waging war without any consequences that's a bit different than anything we've seen in the last century. You don't want to be a teenage girl in a town they capture.

There's an intercepted phone call here from a russian soldier who says his combat unit had 96 soldiers, after the ukrainians attacked they are down to less than 50 which is usually when you retreat, but they sent in the Wagner Group and he's surrounded by convicts now. I've linked to the relevant part:

View: https://youtu.be/Z8yfe4ytnaU?t=466