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I understand. Thanks for the reply.
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Is this the case for the 3rd line on these results?
Benzenemethanamine, N-(phenylmethylene)- is a chemical impurity, not an active ingredient, found in some illegally produced anabolic steroids. Its presence is a sign of poor quality control and unregulated manufacturing practices, which pose serious health risks to users.
Here is a breakdown of why this compound might appear in illicit steroids:
1. Byproduct of chemical synthesis
Benzenemethanamine, N-(phenylmethylene)- (also known as N-benzylidenebenzylamine) is formed by a reaction between benzylamine (benzenemethanamine) and benzaldehyde.
It is possible that these chemicals are used as reagents or precursors in the synthesis of certain anabolic steroids in unregulated, underground laboratories.
If the reaction is not properly controlled or purified, the unreacted starting materials or the benzenemethanamine, N-(phenylmethylene)- byproduct can remain in the final product as a contaminant.
2. Failure to purify the product
In legal pharmaceutical manufacturing, strict purification methods are used to remove impurities like benzenemethanamine, N-(phenylmethylene)-. These can include repeated crystallization, chromatography, and other techniques.
Illicit labs lack the equipment and expertise to properly purify their products, leading to a high rate of contamination with unwanted chemicals.
3. Deliberate adulteration
Because illegal steroids are not regulated, the product is often found to contain either a different active substance than declared or a different amount than claimed.
In some cases, manufacturers may intentionally mix products with cheaper chemicals or cutting agents to increase their volume and lower production costs.
Health risks
The presence of benzenemethanamine, N-(phenylmethylene)- and other impurities from unregulated production can cause severe health issues beyond the already-documented risks of anabolic steroid use.
Benzenemethanamine, N-(phenylmethylene)- is a chemical impurity, not an active ingredient, found in some illegally produced anabolic steroids. Its presence is a sign of poor quality control and unregulated manufacturing practices, which pose serious health risks to users.
Here is a breakdown of why this compound might appear in illicit steroids:
1. Byproduct of chemical synthesis
Benzenemethanamine, N-(phenylmethylene)- (also known as N-benzylidenebenzylamine) is formed by a reaction between benzylamine (benzenemethanamine) and benzaldehyde.
It is possible that these chemicals are used as reagents or precursors in the synthesis of certain anabolic steroids in unregulated, underground laboratories.
If the reaction is not properly controlled or purified, the unreacted starting materials or the benzenemethanamine, N-(phenylmethylene)- byproduct can remain in the final product as a contaminant.
2. Failure to purify the product
In legal pharmaceutical manufacturing, strict purification methods are used to remove impurities like benzenemethanamine, N-(phenylmethylene)-. These can include repeated crystallization, chromatography, and other techniques.
Illicit labs lack the equipment and expertise to properly purify their products, leading to a high rate of contamination with unwanted chemicals.
3. Deliberate adulteration
Because illegal steroids are not regulated, the product is often found to contain either a different active substance than declared or a different amount than claimed.
In some cases, manufacturers may intentionally mix products with cheaper chemicals or cutting agents to increase their volume and lower production costs.
Health risks
The presence of benzenemethanamine, N-(phenylmethylene)- and other impurities from unregulated production can cause severe health issues beyond the already-documented risks of anabolic steroid use.
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My takeaway is that is an additive compounded with the polystyrene to prevent yellowing over time in the finished plastic product. It dissolved from plastic piece due to the presence of BB .
Key question is did polystyrene also dissolve (most likely) and would need to test samples with GPC (gel permeation chromatography) or another method to make that determination.
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dcfreak
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Jesus. I have thousands of dollars of Primal gear. I wonder how much of it is contaminated fml.
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I will keep reading also. Things I’ve found so far is the BB creates this it looks like but it’s not in a good way. It’s a result of poor filtering and cross contamination due to lack of sterilization processes on lab equipment. Perhaps someone is going to pop in soon and provide some clarification.
PiscesMoon
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Off topic, makes me wonder if there are potential leaching risks outside of the manufacturing process and more so with storage. E.G. back loading syringes for later use or even medical settings with storage of vaccines, IV bags etc.
With the use of solvents, would the potential risk for plastic degradation and leaching be a concern for backloading short term storage (5-7 days)? I’ve heard of the plunger degrading over time but I’ve never researched the risk or contamination concentrations.
Ive followed the push for new stoppers due to certain stoppers degrading over time and ensuring vails are stored upright - something I had never considered.
Just trying to curb any further exposures outside of what I already consume in my daily life.
This may have been covered, don’t flame me. I’m new here and still learning!
With the use of solvents, would the potential risk for plastic degradation and leaching be a concern for backloading short term storage (5-7 days)? I’ve heard of the plunger degrading over time but I’ve never researched the risk or contamination concentrations.
Ive followed the push for new stoppers due to certain stoppers degrading over time and ensuring vails are stored upright - something I had never considered.
Just trying to curb any further exposures outside of what I already consume in my daily life.
This may have been covered, don’t flame me. I’m new here and still learning!
Yes there is a that's he that shows various plungers pretty quickly starting to dissolve in BB.
No. That equipment isnt designed for that use.
Thank you - this study has really opened my eyes and has me thinking of all the potential routes for contamination exposure that I had never considered.
Thats what I had figured. This topic has really shed light on risks that I have never considered. The long term chronic exposures (weekly, EOD, daily) for years on end could cause serious adverse health effects.
End up with cancer from plastics and contaminants leaching into the oil.
The irony, it wasn’t the grams of tren, it was the plastic……
Eddie.
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Plenty of people backload slin pins for 1-3 weeks with no issues. Make sure gear is good and it doesn't contain EO or super solvents. I'd backload a syringe today and leave it in the drawer for 15-20 days.
After that inspect it carefully, if you see any parts of the rubber missing or anything weird toss it and abort the idea, otherwise you'll be fine for 1-2 weeks worth backloading.
Off course with naked eye no one can be 100% sure but if we talk about chunks of rubber they won't even pass from a 29-30G needle. Proceed with caution xD
Obviously, you need some good quality syringes like BD, B.Braun, Nipro etc..avoid dirt cheap Amazon or Chinese ones.
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Mastedon
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No issues meaning they left the oil in the syringe for weeks then tested the oil for plastic leeching?
Failure would be soluble stuff going into solution with your backloaded gear.
How much/how long?
Rubber dissolving or white shaft that doesnt come into contact with oil? Your call.
These aren't heterogeneous particulates.
Homogeneous leachate you can't see and hasn't been quantified.
I minimize the time oil is in my insulin syringe before I inject. I never store pre-loaded syringes. Makes no sense.
NiPro 1ml is gone.
Wonder how many hours before the rubber falls off lol
It's turning my solution cloudy.
Which do you think will last the longest?
Wonder how many hours before the rubber falls off lol
It's turning my solution cloudy.
Which do you think will last the longest?
@proton kickin' ass.
just some dude
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yeah this is upsetting and i was only pushing the ape test
eery
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speak for yourself :')
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yes , and also concerns about peptides
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