Unsure About HCG Dosage

[sergio mauro]

250IU of HCG twice a week is for high end cycles you just don't need it or the Tamoxifen.

You know how many mates recover their HTPA with nothing after the cycle I just provided U with THE OVERWHELMING majority, IME.

So although PCT won't hurt it's benefit when cycling TRT doses of TT and twice the recommended dose of the DHT analog Anavar, is limited IMO, especially for those younger than 30 years

Oh I suspect it's fair to mention there are some who believe PCT should be a part of EVERY cycle, and in that instance we shall agree to disagree

Got it!

Ya, I gotta a bro that never use anything to recover his HTPA, I just call him crazy as he is 22. I see man, thank you so much for doing this, appreciate that. I will create another thread in cycle logs section and as long as I start this cycle I will keep you and the thread posted.

 

[Dr JIM]

No you won't you'll leave and we shall never hear from you again, but that's ok , lol

 

[sergio mauro]

No you won't you'll leave and we shall never hear from you again, but that's ok , lol

Well, this is the first forum that I really like to get involved. So I do pretend to keep my thread posted haha.

 

[sergio mauro]

Actually I got another question, what about Test P converting into estrogen during the 10weeks? Won't it develop gyneco?

Thanks.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

250IU of HCG twice a week is for high end cycles you just don't need it or the Tamoxifen.

You know how many mates recover their HTPA with nothing after the cycle I just provided U with THE OVERWHELMING majority, IME.

So although PCT won't hurt it's benefit when cycling TRT doses of TT and twice the recommended dose of the DHT analog Anavar, is limited IMO, especially for those younger than 30 years

Oh I suspect it's fair to mention there are some who believe PCT should be a part of EVERY cycle, and in that instance we shall agree to disagree

Can you define a "high end cycle" Jim? And i disagree that hCG is "mandatory" during recovery phase if used properly during cycle.

 

[sergio mauro]

Can you define a "high end cycle" Jim? And i disagree that hCG is "mandatory" during recovery phase if used properly during cycle.

What do you mean by saying "properly during cycle"?

 

[Northern Nutrition]

250iu 2/wk on cycle prevents testicular atrophy in the vast majority of recreational cyclists. Properly would be defined as enough volume and frequency as necessary to prevent atrophy on cycle.

My point is why treat a cold when you can easily prevent it? Blasting hCG post cycle is simply not necessary. But there are many treatments that require blasting hCG, but not for the average AAS user, IMHO

 

[Northern Nutrition]

Also, your Adex should take care of any Prop/gyno issues. Im fairly certain i saw you include it @ .25mg EOD ? If so, you should be fine.

 

[sergio mauro]

250iu 2/wk on cycle prevents testicular atrophy in the vast majority of recreational cyclists. Properly would be defined as enough volume and frequency as necessary to prevent atrophy on cycle.

My point is why treat a cold when you can easily prevent it? Blasting hCG post cycle is simply not necessary. But there are many treatments that require blasting hCG, but not for the average AAS user, IMHO

Ya right. Agree.

 

[sergio mauro]

Also, your Adex should take care of any Prop/gyno issues. Im fairly certain i saw you include it @ .25mg EOD ? If so, you should be fine.

I did include it, but from the revised cycle that DR Jim did, it's not included. I'm still afraid of taking it out as Test P may convert to estrogen.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

Leave it in. BUT...you could begin your cycle without it and easily add it if you experience symptoms if you feel comfortable with that. Adex works fairly quickly.

Is this your first cycle, Sergio?

 

[sergio mauro]

Leave it in. BUT...you could begin your cycle without it and easily add it if you experience symptoms if you feel comfortable with that. Adex works fairly quickly.

Is this your first cycle, Sergio?

OH alright.

It's my second cycle. My first one I didn't have all these informations about AI and HCG.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

Did you use an AI on your first cycle? If so, what was your cycle and AI protocol? If not, did you experience any symptoms?

 

[Dr JIM]

Can you define a "high end cycle" Jim? And i disagree that hCG is "mandatory" during recovery phase if used properly during cycle.

HIGH END CYCLE
1) a progestrogenic AAS like Deca 500mg / week/s 1-12
2) TT at roughly 1-2 grams/weeks 1-12
3) D-Bol 100mg QD weeks 1-4
4) A-drol 75mg BID weeks 8-12

This type of cycle suppresses the effects of LH on Leydig cell function and HCG is mandatory because of it, unless you don't mind a VERY prolonged HTPA RECOVERY with the early onset of muscular atrophy.

Now while it's true those in their twenties may be able to do wo HCG I definitely would NOT recommend it)

 

[sergio mauro]

Did you use an AI on your first cycle? If so, what was your cycle and AI protocol? If not, did you experience any symptoms?

Nope. Neither any side effects.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

HIGH END CYCLE
1) a progestrogenic AAS like Deca 500mg / week/s 1-12
2) TT at roughly 1-2 grams/weeks 1-12
3) D-Bol 100mg QD weeks 1-4
4) A-drol 75mg BID weeks 8-12

This type of cycle suppresses the effects of LH on Leydig cell function and HCG is mandatory because of it, unless you don't mind a VERY prolonged HTPA RECOVERY with the early onset of muscular atrophy.

Now while it's true those in their twenties may be able to do wo HCG I definitely would NOT recommend it)

That's certainly a big daddy cycle. But all cycles that include volumes over baseline effect sex hormones and natural test production. This can result with as little as a standard TRT protocol. In fact, i have close fiends that have been including hCG with their doctor assisted TRT protocols for many many years. So its not as simple as 0 to 60 and nothing in between.

IMO, hCG should been included on every AAS cycle (on cycle) where the cyclist wishes to prevent testicular atrophy, for whatever their reason.

Nope. Neither any side effects.

Ok. Begin as you suggested and monitor. If you could set up blood assays mid and post cycle, that would be even better.

 

[sergio mauro]

That's certainly a big daddy cycle. But all cycles that include volumes over baseline effect sex hormones and natural test production. This can result with as little as a standard TRT protocol. In fact, i have close fiends that have been including hCG with their doctor assisted TRT protocols for many many years. So its not as simple as 0 to 60 and nothing in between.

IMO, hCG should been included on every AAS cycle (on cycle) where the cyclist wishes to prevent testicular atrophy, for whatever their reason.



Ok. Begin as you suggested and monitor. If you could set up blood assays mid and post cycle, that would be even better.

Got it. Ya, I'll be doing blood work by this week or next. Also, What's your opinion on the proviron? should I keep it or not?

 

[Northern Nutrition]

I dont use Proviron. Tried it once long time ago, and quite frankly i think its a waste of money. I would rather swap the tabs for pins and use Masteron. But that's just my opinion base upon a one time use, some research, and what others have shared about it. (i know "Sharky" uses it religiously)

What are your expectations from it?

 

[sergio mauro]

I dont use Proviron. Tried it once long time ago, and quite frankly i think its a waste of money. I would rather swap the tabs for pins and use Masteron. But that's just my opinion base upon a one time use, some research, and what others have shared about it. (i know "Sharky" uses it religiously)

What are your expectations from it?

Oh Alright.

My ecpectations were a harder muscle look, libido (which wont be needed cuz of test) and some people say that it helps to decrease estrogen levels.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

Its a mild AI at best.