Unique Test/Primo/E2 Base Cycle + EO Experiment

[Magenzus]

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Did you start the e2 when you started primo or after? I’d like to go higher dose primo with e2 wanted to get your insights. Good thread.

 

[Raiders789]

Did you start the e2 when you started primo or after? I’d like to go higher dose primo with e2 wanted to get your insights. Good thread.

I started both at the same time when I started my cycle - I have a month's volume of injections all premixed in a 50ml vial.

Love to hear you're gonna try out injectable e2! PSA tho I have used injectable E2 before this cycle, so I knew how much estradiol to pin to keep my E2 in range and I also knew from previous experience that essentially any dose of primo zeroes my aromatase activity.

But in terms of the first few days supping E2 - I believe timing doesn't matter as much as you'd think. I take your already on some dosage of primo - I'd recommend that when you raise your dose, add the E2 a day after and see how you feel over the next few days. From what I've seen, 1mg of Estradiol cyp will land your E2 somewhere around 20 if your aromatase activity is crushed, but if you are just doing a relatively small increase of primo(and not fully blocking your aromatase enzyme) you may not need that much right away. If you go through with it, keep me updated on how it goes!

 

[Magenzus]

I started both at the same time when I started my cycle - I have a month's volume of injections all premixed in a 50ml vial.

Love to hear you're gonna try out injectable e2! PSA tho I have used injectable E2 before this cycle, so I knew how much estradiol to pin to keep my E2 in range and I also knew from previous experience that essentially any dose of primo zeroes my aromatase activity.

But in terms of the first few days supping E2 - I believe timing doesn't matter as much as you'd think. I take your already on some dosage of primo - I'd recommend that when you raise your dose, add the E2 a day after and see how you feel over the next few days. From what I've seen, 1mg of Estradiol cyp will land your E2 somewhere around 20 if your aromatase activity is crushed, but if you are just doing a relatively small increase of primo(and not fully blocking your aromatase enzyme) you may not need that much right away. If you go through with it, keep me updated on how it goes!

Sounds good dude, really appreciate it. As of now I am on 75mg of primo, plan to increase in two weeks but e2 has already started lowering so we’ll see. Ill update once the e cyp arrives I just ordered it today and doing hcg for now.

 

[Bigbicep]

So you’ve so far put on 22lbs since day 7 ? Most of it lean muscle? How’s your mental state? Any brain fog, “roid rage” or anxiety?

 

[Bigbicep]

Also how would you compare it to other cycles with high test or test alone?

 

[Seb19952]

Hey mate, just wondering how did you source your Estadriol valerate ? Ive been trying to find those but only got hands on cypionate which take longer to act if im not wrong?

 

[Seb19952]

Or cypionate is totally fine then? Just wondering why you chose this kind of cycle ? Lower test higher of the other compound ? Is it for the dry lean gains or any other reason, cheers

 

[Raiders789]

So you’ve so far put on 22lbs since day 7 ? Most of it lean muscle? How’s your mental state? Any brain fog, “roid rage” or anxiety?

Yes, but I'm definitely holding a bit extra water than I otherwise would, which I'd attribute to increasing my GH to 8iu/night a few weeks back and from all the food I've been eating. Also I'd assume another chunk of that gain is transient intramuscular glycogen storage. But gains have been great and I've seen the most growth in my chest + legs which I've really been emphasizing.

My mental state has been great - I don't feel "on" at all or at least like I have in the past running higher test. Never any roid rage, I'm in general a pretty calm guy so thats never really been an issue for me. If anything I feel a lot more level headed and relaxed most of the day, which is great, but I kinda miss the cns stimulation that I've had on other cycles. The var helps a bit with that - whenever I go over 20mg I feel modestly agressive and "on" but nothing crazy. My focus and mental drive have been great which has had a huge help with classes and just being productive in general.

Also how would you compare it to other cycles with high test or test alone?

I've personally never gone that "high" with just test, the most I've done is 600mg/week. Gains were good on both but running my cycle like this lets me avoid acne, which was an issue for me on higher test. Also having my E2 locked in from the beginning was nice because I didn't have to deal with any huge jumps in water retention and my mood was 100% stable. Not having to deal with managing E2 I feel is such an underrated bonus of this cycle.

 

[atruse]

Definitely should add the 50mg of tren lol
I added it in like 3-4 weeks ago now. I love it.

 

[Raiders789]

Or cypionate is totally fine then? Just wondering why you chose this kind of cycle ? Lower test higher of the other compound ? Is it for the dry lean gains or any other reason, cheers

Yes bro I'm acutally using 1mg cyp now, the ester doesn't really matter unless you plan do do like a week+ interval between pins.

I chose to structure my cycle like this because I've always been a very low aromatizer so trying to add in an AI-like anabolic has been extremely difficult to manage without crashing my E2. Last (and first time) using primo I zeroed my E2 on a 2:1 testrimo ratio and instead of trying to play games to balance it, I just added a bit of Estradiol and boom problem solved. So I figured I'd run it back but go all in, running just trt and a lot of primo to really see how well primo works as the main driver of a cycle. Also I have a ton of primo and I love how I feel on it lmao.

 

[Raiders789]

Definitely should add the 50mg of tren lol
I added it in like 3-4 weeks ago now. I love it.

lmao you convinced me, I'm in

 

[Bigbicep]

Yes, but I'm definitely holding a bit extra water than I otherwise would, which I'd attribute to increasing my GH to 8iu/night a few weeks back and from all the food I've been eating. Also I'd assume another chunk of that gain is transient intramuscular glycogen storage. But gains have been great and I've seen the most growth in my chest + legs which I've really been emphasizing.

My mental state has been great - I don't feel "on" at all or at least like I have in the past running higher test. Never any roid rage, I'm in general a pretty calm guy so thats never really been an issue for me. If anything I feel a lot more level headed and relaxed most of the day, which is great, but I kinda miss the cns stimulation that I've had on other cycles. The var helps a bit with that - whenever I go over 20mg I feel modestly agressive and "on" but nothing crazy. My focus and mental drive have been great which has had a huge help with classes and just being productive in general.

I've personally never gone that "high" with just test, the most I've done is 600mg/week. Gains were good on both but running my cycle like this lets me avoid acne, which was an issue for me on higher test. Also having my E2 locked in from the beginning was nice because I didn't have to deal with any huge jumps in water retention and my mood was 100% stable. Not having to deal with managing E2 I feel is such an underrated bonus of this cycle.

You have me keen on this type of cycle. Might run ment at the start or dbol

 

[atruse]

Hey everyone,

So just now about 11 weeks into the cycle, and so far everything has been great. Gotten some of the best gains/progress of my life these last 2.5 months - have been eating 4000+ cals consistently and am now about ~215lbs. Thought I should probably be posting progress pics so the first pic is me day 7 of the cycle (coming off just actual trt, no gh) at 193lbs and the second pic is me the other day at 215lbs. Both no pump in the morning, although the lighting in my old bathroom was a little better lmao.

Energy in the gym has been unreal - like I'm literally in the gym 2-3 hours every day 100% dialed taking every set to failure and its been so awesome pushing myself this hard. Have been really locked in with cardio this past month and am averaging ~30-45mins every day fasted in the morning as well, and have really started to see significant improvements in my cardiovascular endurance that's translated to the gym and given me the capacity to work in even more drop sets.

Recovery has been outstanding, I think upping the GH to 8IU has had a huge part in that. Really interested to see what my igf1 is at now with 8IU + a consistent calorie surplus. My sleep has been great as well. Have been starting to see my bp creep up into the high 120s (likely due to how I've really been pushing up the carbs recently, and maybe too much TNE lmao) so have been working in 20-40 telmisartan as needed.

Going to get my bloods in a week - I feel like I've got a ton of systemic fatigue building up from how hard I've been pushing myself these past few weeks. So I'm gonna take this week as a deload week and chill out a bit (Mardi Gras has me working security literally every day so I'm kinda forced to take some time off) and get my true inflammation baseline when I get my labs next Wednesday with a few real rest days; I literally haven't taken a single rest day in like 2 months lmao. Like I mentioned before I think my hsCRP was a little inflated with how hard I've been pushing in the gym so hopefully I see it <1 here. But will keep doing 8IUs gh per night and keep food/reta the same to keep things consistent.

Although bulking has been great I'm starting to get a little fatter than I'm comfortable with, so next week I'll start to transition to a cutting phase. I plan on keeping all the drugs the same, except for maybe increasing the reta (or adding another glp) if I feel I need to. Although after reading Ballistic's post in a tren advice thread I've been thinking about adding in like maybe 50mg tren a/week (although probably not right away) if bloods look good. Was hoping to get y'alls thoughts on that, and wether you guys think it would be worth it compared to just increasing the primo, or adding more anavar. My goal now is to slowly diet to 7% bf again, so rough estimate but if I'm ~13% now, I'd like to lose 14lbs (lbm 187 + fat mass 28lbs) of fat to get to 7% and I'd like to do that slow - perhaps 14 weeks of a small 500cal deficit. Would really appreciate any advice and what y'all think of my plan!

How tall are you?

We're sitting at very similar stats.

I started this bulk at around 180lbs in October, and around 10% bf, though I was at the end of a long cut and had to come off everything for surgery, so was only on low dose trt, so quite small then.

Once I started the cycle and added gh back in, I blew up 20 lbs in like 4 weeks ,and now sitting around 217lbs and probably 15% BF

Over xmas I did indulge quite a lot haha so I was up to 20% bf and around 220 end of december, cut back through Jan to 210, and now happy to be back in bulk and leaner.
So a mini cut mid cycle is not a bad idea, but committing to the bulk will see a big increase in strength and size... worth it in my opinion.
When I'm eating in surplus, and im usually in about 500kcal surplus, not those itty bitty surpluses lol
I'm way more full of glycogen, and my lifts have increased dramatically, specially legs.
I'm not to worried about the BF gain now that GLP-1's exist lol

your BF range looks perfectly fine to me my man. send the bulk
summer cut starts in April for me lol

if you ask me personally though, I don't really like being below 10% BF, im not naturally super skinny, so i don't really like the look, my face gets to narrow cus im a lanky 6'3" mother fucker.
though my arms do look absolutely shredded... so its a constant battle lol
As long as I have a hint of abs, and my bicep vein is clearly visible, im a happy camper

Also, shout out to ur profile pick, OPM is a sick show lol