Triamcinolone?

[I6JQdr06]

This was brought up in another thread but didn’t receive any answers.

How is Triamcinolone used? Or corticosteroids in general?

They’re cycled during the peak training and then tapered during performance phase? How is nutrition adapted during their use?

What about training? Is it balls to the wall, or does training have to he dialled back to avoid injury to soft tissue while on corticosteroids?

Are they stacked with anabolics or does that defeat the purpose of their use (to lose body mass fast)?

 

[Millard]

These are good questions that I'd like to learn more about too. Obviously, drugs that make people smaller aren't of much interest to bodybuilders. So it would be nice to hear experiences from athletes into sports of distance running, cycling, etc..

Ironically, I learn quite a bit about PED use in other sports from anti-doping investigations and government hearings.

For example, with traiamcinolone, there have been government inquiries into Team Sky and Brad Wiggins over this drug's use as a PED.

As you mentioned, the primary purpose is rapid weight loss. I'd be interested in the actual change in body composition. How much fat mass lost versus how much lean mass lost?

From a bodybuilder's perspective, we've always feared corticosteroids - they've been the enemy - because we associated this with muscle loss (and not fat loss).

From a cyclist's perspective, actual bodyweight lost might be more important than relative change in body composition with the ultimate goal of improving power/weight ratio.

But it seems to me that strategies, whether dietary or hormonal (concommitant use of AAS), to preferential retain LBM while losing FBM would be the best case.

I'd also like to know:

What about patterns of use?

I've seen some reports that it's a once-a-year type drug useful during off-season to rapidly drop weight before that start of the season.

Others report using it multiple times per year. It has been banned in-competition but not out-of-competition in the past (and now too?). So I assume it may have performance-enhancing benefits above and beyond the simple weight loss?

 

[Millard]

Specifically with regard to using AAS at same time as triamcinolone, I don't think the AAS would necessarily compromise rapid loss. The calories in, calories out still applies. Maybe triamcinolone kills appetite more than AAS stimulates it.

I thought it was amazing that @amorgan90 actually lost almost 20lb (15+kgs) while using 250mg test cyp in a relatively short period. He didn't need triamcinolone for this big weight drop but the point is that AAS didn't preclude it.

 

[I6JQdr06]

So say as a climber I’m concerned with retaining muscle in my forearm, front/rear delts, rotator cuff, upper back/scapular region, and to a limited extent my lats. Although I’ve been as precise as possible with my training and careful with my anabolic use I’ve still built up quite a bit of mass in my pecs, medial delts, quads etc which is counterproductive to my aims as it just adds unnecessary weight.

Ideally I’d design a cycle of training, diet, and drugs which would enable me to lose the collateral muscle bulk while retaining maximal strength and power in the functional areas.

I have little idea how to implement the drugs aspect of this. I assume it’s about leveraging a mix of anabolics and catabolics although maybe they’d just cancel each other out?

I have the feeing that this, let’s call it “athletic recomp” is a very common strategy for bridging off season and peak/performance blocks. It’s just a matter of getting people who do this to talk about it.

 

[Deadp007]

Re: triamcinolone acetonide, more specifically it references brand name Kenacort-A.
Article "How to get away with Doping" by David Millar, retired professional road racing cyclist. Granted it's from the trash ny times but it's actually by Millar & in the Opinion section.
... I took an initial 20 to 40 milligram dose, and then topped up with 10 to 20 milligrams about 10 days later, in order to prolong the effects into the final week of the three-week stage race and to avoid too rapid a descent off it.

 

[I6JQdr06]

Re: triamcinolone acetonide, more specifically it references brand name Kenacort-A.
Article "How to get away with Doping" by David Millar, retired professional road racing cyclist. Granted it's from the trash ny times but it's actually by Millar & in the Opinion section.
... I took an initial 20 to 40 milligram dose, and then topped up with 10 to 20 milligrams about 10 days later, in order to prolong the effects into the final week of the three-week stage race and to avoid too rapid a descent off it.

Do you have access to the article? I’ve seen so many references to it but it’s behind a paywall for me

 

[Deadp007]

Here's a crappy html to pdf copy... it's readable tho
Meso won't allow .html files

 

[I6JQdr06]

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Here's a crappy html to pdf copy... it's readable tho
Meso won't allow .html files

Thanks so much dude

 

[cmK9s33]

Just wanted to say that while I don't really have this drug on my radar of things to use, I find the discussion and information fascinating. And I would definitely enjoy reading more material about drugs besides aas, HGH and insulin. And different contexts of use of those drugs besides bodybuilding.

 

[I6JQdr06]

It’s the different contexts I find fascinating. Like, I’m not sure people in this forum are aware that there are so many athletes who use PEDs but actively avoid weight gain.

 

[PumpingIronman]

I've used a triamcinolone cream to control eczema since childhood and over time it can cause thinning of your skin. I've applied it mainly to my hands and they cut and bleed easily. I do not have any experience with injections or oral delivery.

 

[I6JQdr06]

Update: I’ve just added 4x 40mg amps of kenacort to an order I was making for other things. It was pretty cheap.

I’ve still no idea how to use it