MESO-Rx Exclusive Trenbolone facts - series on unique characteristics of different steroids

[bananafeet]

update, I'm on 350 mg tren enanthate per week (injecting 175 mg Saturday, 175 mg Wednesday, on Saturday I also add 100 mg testosterone cypionate, 10 mg exemestane), been following this for a couple weeks now, also HGH 2 IU per night, tirz 5 mg saturday....

Sleep has kinda leveled out, taking 2 mg eszopiclone + 10 mg melatonin per night, ashwagandha Mon Wed Fri. I get about 6 hours of sleep per night, about 50 mins of REM, which is kind of like what I was getting pre-tren, maybe a little worse, I do still sweat at night which is mad annoying but whatever. Energy levels and tiredness about the same now that it's been like a month+ I've been taking tren at medium-high doses.

Lowered paroxetine dose to 5 mg per day, because my sex drive got wrecked by it, and I might just stop taking it or stay on 5 mg, holy shit this stuff is like a nuke for your sex drive... Trying to force myself to whack it to re-sensitize myself but that's not tren related.

I suggest you read Type2x posts about tren dosing. Reread if you've already done so.

A low does of tren would be 50mg per week by bodybuilder standards. 200mg would be moderate and anything above 300mg would be high. A couple of guys posted about AKI while on cycles with tren just recently.

Wouldn't it make sense to just take more testosterone? You will get the psychological effects and feed efficiency at a low dose of tren.

Tren causes sexual dysfunction and a numb penis. Depending on the dose cabergoline may or may not help.

It is a progestin afterall....

Here is the ranking of antidepressants by sexual dysfunction:


I've combined Mirtazapine with Sertraline. It hasn't cured the sexual dysfunction 100% but it has made it atleast bareable.

This is coming from someone who did two weeks of tren at 400mg but has finally come out of the trance.

 

[Mfras]

I suggest you read Type2x posts about tren dosing. Reread if you've already done so.

A low does of tren would be 50mg per week by bodybuilder standards. 200mg would be moderate and anything above 300mg would be high. A couple of guys posted about AKI while on cycles with tren just recently.

Wouldn't it make sense to just take more testosterone? You will get the psychological effects and feed efficiency at a low dose of tren.

Tren causes sexual dysfunction and a numb penis. Depending on the dose cabergoline may or may not help.

It is a progestin afterall....

Here is the ranking of antidepressants by sexual dysfunction:
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I've combined Mirtazapine with Sertraline. It hasn't cured the sexual dysfunction 100% but it has made it atleast bareable.

This is coming from someone who did two weeks of tren at 400mg but has finally come out of the trance.

I felt literally almost nothing until I titrated up past 300. And currently sitting at 350 or a little higher because I add a drop or two for drawing to pinning barrel transfer. So everybody’s different but also I should be hitting the physical adaptation phase where effects and side effects start showing up.

 

[NecroPhil]

I have never run Tren. I am considering trying it next year and seems that Acetate is a better option to assess the side effects. If I start getting gnarly sides that I cant deal with, the Acetate will clear much faster than Enanthate. Is there a benefit to Enanthate over Acetate? The mg / ml price on Tren E is lower but is that the only benefit? Is there less pip or does anybody anecdotally have better results on Enanthate?

 

[DeodatoFulci]

I started my experiment at 50mg of tren ace a week and just raised the dose to 200mg this week. I can sleep without any issues, and my mood not been altered whatsoever. Will push the dose slightly for these last few weeks, but so far so good. Yesterday’s leg session felt amazing.

 

[TheSeptemberKnight]

I have never run Tren. I am considering trying it next year and seems that Acetate is a better option to assess the side effects. If I start getting gnarly sides that I cant deal with, the Acetate will clear much faster than Enanthate. Is there a benefit to Enanthate over Acetate? The mg / ml price on Tren E is lower but is that the only benefit? Is there less pip or does anybody anecdotally have better results on Enanthate?

IMO I would start with acetate then switch over to enanthate. Skip the tren hex, this ester is wayyyyy longer than enanthate in my personal experience.

 

[Mfras]

I have never run Tren. I am considering trying it next year and seems that Acetate is a better option to assess the side effects. If I start getting gnarly sides that I cant deal with, the Acetate will clear much faster than Enanthate. Is there a benefit to Enanthate over Acetate? The mg / ml price on Tren E is lower but is that the only benefit? Is there less pip or does anybody anecdotally have better results on Enanthate?

I took *everybody’s* advice and went with Ace because if sides get bad I can jump off in days not weeks. The only downside is that I’m pinning every day and even starting at 5mg/day the PIP was rough. The bottle I’m working on is 200mg/ml in mct, and jano tested 6% overdosed. I started watering it down with 100mg/mg mastP and it’s gotten better. Mixing it with my bigger shots MTWF is a little smoother and I also think I’m acclimating to the ester a little but last week one ventro glute shot and a front delt shot were sore for days.

Really it’s not a big deal, but now that I know tolerating 200/week is a snap and so far so good at 350/360ish I grabbed a couple bottles of enanthate so if I decide to play with tren again this summer I can pin 2-3x/week and skip solo tren pin days.

 

[malfeasance]

You do not have to pin acetate every day.

 

[exx]

You do not have to pin acetate every day.

but its a good idea to lol

 

[Mfras]

You do not have to pin acetate every day.

I try to balance practical with ‘possible best’- could I take my TRT Test Cyp once a week and be fine? Yes. But for a smoother ride I prefer 2x/week, and on a high cruise with some other stuff thrown in, especially mast P, I go ahead and pin MWF. Don’t want to major in the minors.

Being my first time trying tren to see how I tolerate it I started small, titrated slowly, and figured daily pins might give the best chance of avoiding sides. It’s working so far but maybe would be just fine EOD or MWF

What schedule do you like for tren ace?

 

[RockyP]

I took *everybody’s* advice and went with Ace because if sides get bad I can jump off in days not weeks. The only downside is that I’m pinning every day and even starting at 5mg/day the PIP was rough. The bottle I’m working on is 200mg/ml in mct, and jano tested 6% overdosed. I started watering it down with 100mg/mg mastP and it’s gotten better. Mixing it with my bigger shots MTWF is a little smoother and I also think I’m acclimating to the ester a little but last week one ventro glute shot and a front delt shot were sore for days.

Really it’s not a big deal, but now that I know tolerating 200/week is a snap and so far so good at 350/360ish I grabbed a couple bottles of enanthate so if I decide to play with tren again this summer I can pin 2-3x/week and skip solo tren pin days.

You can do EOD with Ace. 200 / ml was prob not the best Idea. Standard is 100 / ml and there are also vendors who make it at 75 / ml, which would be the least likely to cause PIP.

If you choose to use enanthate next time be mindful that it is not a 1:1 conversion with your acetate dosage. If you end up on 350 of acetate, I would strongly consider going with only 200 of enanthate to start. There's a thread on here where someone took the time to show the calculations of how the longer esters will give you much more of an effective dosage due to their longer elimination half lives as compared to acetate.

 

[lipzz17]

You can do EOD with Ace. 200 / ml was prob not the best Idea. Standard is 100 / ml and there are also vendors who make it at 75 / ml, which would be the least likely to cause PIP.

If you choose to use enanthate next time be mindful that it is not a 1:1 conversion with your acetate dosage. If you end up on 350 of acetate, I would strongly consider going with only 200 of enanthate to start. There's a thread on here where someone took the time to show the calculations of how the longer esters will give you much more of an effective dosage due to their longer elimination half lives as compared to acetate.

Thats not how works, tren ace have more tren per mg than tren E, tren E simply gives higher peaks because of longer ester, not reflect on dosage. 100mg of tren a has 87mg of trenbolone and 100mg tren e has 70mg of trenbolone.

 

[RockyP]

Thats not how works, tren ace have more tren per mg than tren E, tren E simply gives higher peaks because of longer ester, not reflect on dosage. 100mg of tren a has 87mg of trenbolone and 100mg tren e has 70mg of trenbolone.

This is not correct at all. I don’t have time to explain this to you but you can use the search function. It has been discussed extensively recently. If you take a cycle of 100 mg of tren hex or tren enanthate it will give you a greater exposure to Trenbolone (that is, a greater effective “dosage”) than 100 mg of tren acetate. As I said, search is your friend.

 

[lipzz17]

This is not correct at all. I don’t have time to explain this to you but you can use the search function.

Ok you can believe what is best for you buddy. When you have time go read about pharmacokinetics

 

[Sampei]

This is not correct at all. I don’t have time to explain this to you but you can use the search function. It has been discussed extensively recently. If you take a cycle of 100 mg of tren hex or tren enanthate it will give you a greater exposure to Trenbolone (that is, a greater effective “dosage”) than 100 mg of tren acetate. As I said, search is your friend.

You are so wrong on many levels lol
It's not an opinion it's called pharmacokinetics and it seems you have zero clue about it.

You will not have higher peak at all or more tren in your body at all.

Maybe if you start reading how half life and release of a substance works instead of checking retarded steroid plotter you would not write the shite you have just repeated twice lol

 

[lipzz17]

I will just post this and say no more

 

[IndividualMan]

When will people understand that having the esterfied compound in your blood is not the same as having the active compound in your system?

Two very different things. You can have a kilo of tren E in your system, but it wont do anything until the ester is cleaved off.
The only thing that matters is the amount of active compound, and the overall amount of exposure time.
Anything else is just for feelz.

 

[RockyP]

You are so wrong on many levels lol
It's not an opinion it's called pharmacokinetics and it seems you have zero clue about it.

You will not have higher peak at all or more tren in your body at all.

Maybe if you start reading how half life and release of a substance works instead of checking retarded steroid plotter you would not write the shite you have just repeated twice lol

Enanthate and hex have longer elimination half lives than acetate. If you use equivalent dosages at equivalent dosing timeframes the longer esters will remain in your system longer than acetate because, as you so eloquently put it, pharmacokinetics. If you take 100 mg of hex EOD and 100 mg of acetate EOD you will have more trenbolone in your system after 4 weeks using the hex. Why? Because some of the hex you injected on week 1, 2, and 3 is still there (and building up), but the acetate from Week 1 is long gone. If you’re going to speak authoritatively it’s best not to do so out of your ass.

 

[Sampei]

Enanthate and hex have longer elimination half lives. If you use equivalent dosages at equivalent dosing timeframes the longer esters will remain in your system longer than acetate because, as you so eloquently put it, pharmacokinetics. If you take 100 mg of hex EOD and 100 mg of acetate EOD you will have more trenbolone in your system after 4 weeks using the hex.

Again you don't understand pharmacokinetics god damn!

The substance you have in your body is not equal to the active compound released in your fucking body!
All that tren is just staying there and being released all at a very specific rate!

So at the same dosage you will always have LESS ACTIVE COMPOUNDS in your body with a long ester vs a short ester!

Stop looking at that retarded steroid plotter

 

[IndividualMan]

Enanthate and hex have longer elimination half lives than acetate. If you use equivalent dosages at equivalent dosing timeframes the longer esters will remain in your system longer than acetate because, as you so eloquently put it, pharmacokinetics. If you take 100 mg of hex EOD and 100 mg of acetate EOD you will have more trenbolone in your system after 4 weeks using the hex.

eh, half true. just because elimination time is longer only really means that you reach peak concentration slower.
(steroid plotter has done irreversible damage on this communitys understanding of esters, clearance times, serum concentrations and Pharmacokinetics)

 

[lipzz17]

Enanthate and hex have longer elimination half lives than acetate. If you use equivalent dosages at equivalent dosing timeframes the longer esters will remain in your system longer than acetate because, as you so eloquently put it, pharmacokinetics. If you take 100 mg of hex EOD and 100 mg of acetate EOD you will have more trenbolone in your system after 4 weeks using the hex. Why? Because some of the hex you injected on week 1, 2, and 3 is still there (and building up), but the acetate from Week 1 is long gone. If you’re going to speak authoritatively it’s best not to do so out of your ass.

Wrong again, tren hex has even less trenbolone mg per mg than tren E