MESO-Rx Exclusive Trenbolone facts - series on unique characteristics of different steroids

[dinfar1337]

It's not universally true. Your experience is very cool, but that's not what most people report. What you describe is not what I experienced, and not what the person I was replying to seems to have experienced. Did Reta affect appetite? Sure, I was a little less interested in food. "I could eat, or not, whatever." With Tirz it felt like "There is no fucking way I'm touching that food."

There's a reason people are buying Cagri, and why Chase Irons is selling a Reta/Cagri stack. Enough people don't experience significant appetite suppression on Reta alone that there's a market for an "upgrade".

Everybody's got a different response to every drug, YMMV, et cetera. Some people have paradoxical reactions to drugs completely opposite to what the majority experience.

The Reta study showed greater % body weight loss on average than Sema or Tirz, so clearly it works for large populations regardless of appetite control potential. But it may be that there are people with eating patterns so disordered that it's not the best fit for them. Hell, his binge eating may be so deeply wired that no appetite suppressant will help because it's not appetite driven. I don't know, I'm just a dog on the internet.

cool, sorry but im not reading all of that.

reta does reduce appetite, he said it didnt. its really not that deep

 

[verylargeshoes]

I slowly accepted that appetite suppression was kinda what I wanted. Rn I don’t mind going higher doses of reta

Just keep in mind that higher doses of medications (e.g. at the upper end and beyond of the published therapeutic ranges) tends to increase the incidence of side effects. You're usually better off using a medication that gives you the effects you want at more mainstream doses.

For example, there are 3-4 people I've seen post here and elsewhere, including me, that got weeks or months worth of constant -- I mean literally constant -- hiccups from Reta doses in the 10mg/week and higher range. Medication likely won't help. And once you trigger them, it may take weeks for them to stop even if you quit Reta cold turkey at the first <hic>. My dose ceiling for Reta is 8 mg/week now and forevermore.

Even then I may find out there's some cumulative effect that will just take longer to hit me, in which case, I will probably just walk hiccuping into the sea and end my misery.

 

[verylargeshoes]

cool, sorry but im not reading all of that.

I get that a lot.

 

[Deadpool99]

There needs to be some sort of stickied post on bodybuilding forums about Retatrutide not reducing appetite

I had RX Sema and Tirz and when I tried UGL Reta at 5mg I wasn't sure if I was even taking anything (ie, bunk)

It seems everyone has this issue with Reta so either all Reta is fake (unlikely) or it does fuckall for appetite

If I ran it again I'd probably stack it with Sema for cost-effective appetite reduction

Personally I did get alot of appetite suppression, I had mine tested via janoshik tho. I have a shit ton of hunger but as soon as I started Reta I felt the appetite suppression and for the first time in my life I had to out the spoon down and I couldn’t finish my ice cream. But I noticed alot of different individual responses, ik ppl who have been on 4mg for 5 months and still feel it, and some like me (one of the worst case scenarios maybe), I get used to it in 4-6 weeks then I up my dose, now at 12mg I feel it very strong. I have changed my habits to a little lower volume foods to keep up with the calories.

Basically it suppresses my appetite well but my f**ing brain eats past that suppression, it doesn’t make sense. I am bloated af post meal yet I have the ability to expand my stomach past the bloating and continue to eat. It’s not like I crave dessert, it can be as simple as wanting more rice and chicken. It’s just that weird compulsion to eat and want to be as full as possible (I’m already full tho, which is where the issue lies)

 

[Deadpool99]

Just keep in mind that higher doses of medications (e.g. at the upper end and beyond of the published therapeutic ranges) tends to increase the incidence of side effects. You're usually better off using a medication that gives you the effects you want at more mainstream doses.

For example, there are 3-4 people I've seen post here and elsewhere, including me, that got weeks or months worth of constant -- I mean literally constant -- hiccups from Reta doses in the 10mg/week and higher range. Medication likely won't help. And once you trigger them, it may take weeks for them to stop even if you quit Reta cold turkey at the first <hic>. My dose ceiling for Reta is 8 mg/week now and forevermore.

Even then I may find out there's some cumulative effect that will just take longer to hit me, in which case, I will probably just walk hiccuping into the sea and end my misery.

Will take that into consideration. At some point I’ll stop this shit and use sema or try out the teso. Thankfully I tolerate most potent drugs like it’s nothing. Not bragging, it has been a genuine issue where I have 0 reaction to high doses of anabolics and other medications and yet bloodwork proves its working. I say it’s an issue but it’s only an issue if u think ur shit is bunk (now I test my shit via jano).

 

[Deadpool99]

I get that a lot.

I started apologizing mid post as I get too carried away, I just keep on endlessly yapping cuz I got no one to hear me out.
Can you tell I have no life (or friends).

 

[xrayphoton13]

He's not bragging, what he's describing is textbook binge-eating disorder

It's hard to describe to people that don't have it, but it's like your neural circuitry are wired to only think about food when you're even mildly hungry

I have binge eating disorder to the point I've eaten myself so full I've puked multiple times and I used to think it was just poor self control

Taking GLP-1's made me realize how huge a variance there can be in people's natural appetites and responses to hunger and that it wasn't just me being a slob...

I have binge eating issues too. Sucks. My wife if she's around will try to stop me bc once I start, especially if I've been dieting, it's like I can't stop. I'll clean out the pantry and the fridge until I hurt so bad I just want to lay down and nap. Tirzepatide was huge in keeping me from doing that. But I did lose the weight once on my own without drugs back in 2010. If I really want it bad enough I can control myself better and not break as often. I still used ephedrine and caffeine though as it suppresses appetite. Not sure I could do it without anything

 

[ChemBB]

My wife if she's around will try to stop me bc once I start, especially if I've been dieting, it's like I can't stop. I'll clean out the pantry and the fridge until I hurt so bad I just want to lay down and nap.

My wife bought a combination lock for the pantry and puts all the junk food in there. I'm in the same way -- if there is junk in the house, I literally cannot stop myself from eating it.

> If I really want it bad enough I can control myself better and not break as often.

Have you noticed after doing a long GLP-1 cut and getting used to a non-junk diet and smaller stomach that the cravings aren't as bad?

After I did 8 months of GLP-1's I'm much better about it now, even when not taking them

 

[Tr3nwreck]

Very interested in reading this.

In!

Sector are you still alive here?

 

[malfeasance]

He's not bragging, what he's describing is textbook binge-eating disorder

It's hard to describe to people that don't have it, but it's like your neural circuitry are wired to only think about food when you're even mildly hungry

I have binge eating disorder to the point I've eaten myself so full I've puked multiple times and I used to think it was just poor self control

Taking GLP-1's made me realize how huge a variance there can be in people's natural appetites and responses to hunger and that it wasn't just me being a slob...

If that's you in the avatar, well, I have been in that kind of condition, and I always think about food and am prone to binge eating when in that sort of shape. I think everybody is.

That is why everybody stuffs themselves for the first few weeks after a competition (and why coaches try to impose a "reverse diet" on their competitors to control this natural survival urge).

It's normal.

 

[malfeasance]

By the way, this is a trenbolone thread in the Steroid Spotlight section of the forum.

In case everybody forgot . . .

 

[sliderke]

These Guys claim at 42:54 in the video that tren hex aka parabolas causes less side effects than even enanthate. Could be interesting. But then again if you experience unwanted effects it will take longer to clear your body with the long ester.
Could they be right that hex is the way to go

 

[ve79]

That is not "naturally fat." I will let you in on a little secret, everybody could take all of those drugs and still overeat and gain fat. You are not alone.

There is a reason competitive bodybuilders eat a certain way when in prep, and there is a reason it gets more strict as the show approaches.

Are there differences in metabolism? Sure. But they are a lot smaller than most want to believe.

As you discovered, it is smart to track and weigh your food.

Proper nutrition is the main thing holding folks back when taking steroids.

True. There are a lot of dumb asses in gyms today that think that just taking drugs will solve there problems or to get to a certain fitness goal. I see it every day at my gym big bloated and red colored skin. They look horrible. They skip the most important thing and it's disaplin of what and how to eat.

 

[xrayphoton13]

These Guys claim at 42:54 in the video that tren hex aka parabolas causes less side effects than even enanthate. Could be interesting. But then again if you experience unwanted effects it will take longer to clear your body with the long ester.
Could they be right that hex is the way to go

I've got no experience with hex but I get less sides with ace daily and than twice or thrice weekly enanthate. My enanthate is a shade darker than the ace. Color might contribute to sides. And by sides I mean night sweats. Barely a sweat on ace. Soak the bed every single night on enth. I don't notice any other sides. This is at 250-300mg/week. Never been higher

 

[sliderke]

I've got no experience with hex but I get less sides with ace daily and than twice or thrice weekly enanthate. My enanthate is a shade darker than the ace. Color might contribute to sides. And by sides I mean night sweats. Barely a sweat on ace. Soak the bed every single night on enth. I don't notice any other sides. This is at 250-300mg/week. Never been higher

I never tried ace. But on the same doses of enanthate I also get the night sweats. And sleep quality is impacted. Think I am gonna stay below 200 from now on.

 

[craigdt]

I was eating 4000 calories of clean foods bro. Chicken/rice/minced beef/pasta/like 6 ninja creami pints that are 180 cal each/potatoes. Never satisfied. On 12mg reta i still eat 2500-3000 of clean high volume foods but the reta allows me to get a few desserts now while feeling as full as with the clean foods. Mind you the only side effect from my tren was night sweats and severe appetite suppression, still ate through that as well.

Is appetite suppression on tren common?

Im always struggling to hit my calorie goals, and just did a 6wk test run of tren. Wondering if that is contributing to my constant mental hurdle to get enough calories

 

[AlexDavis43]

Is appetite suppression on tren common?

Im always struggling to hit my calorie goals, and just did a 6wk test run of tren. Wondering if that is contributing to my constant mental hurdle to get enough calories

Tren is a good growth compound for a lot of people (myself included)

If appetite suppression was severe, that wouldn't be the case -- gotta eat to grow

If you were gaining muscle, maybe your calorie counting skills have some room for improvement

 

[xrayphoton13]

Is appetite suppression on tren common?

Im always struggling to hit my calorie goals, and just did a 6wk test run of tren. Wondering if that is contributing to my constant mental hurdle to get enough calories

Never had appetite suppression. Maybe some reflux but so far only steroid I've come across that nukes my appetite is anadrol

 

[oldgrey]

Never had appetite suppression. Maybe some reflux but so far only steroid I've come across that nukes my appetite is anadrol

On tren and anadrol and I wish it killed my appetite LOL!! Definitely no appetite suppression here

 

[Type-IIx]

No shit Sherlock thats all Homa-ir is..... But it gives a number to compare instead of looking at both bg and insulin and trying to figure out if you are better than last time...maybe your bg is up but so is insulin so it isn't obvious if your sensitivity if better or not...
And since when do BBs go by what is in the product description.... Were the studies of glps done on bulking BB with a ton of peds insulin and GH ?.... DIDN'T THINK SO...
All I was saying was that it would be interesting to see the effects on actual BBs

No you just multiply them, it’s like total cholesterol, you just add LDL-C + HDL-C.

They’re not biomarkers, they’re basic math