Tongkat Ali?

[alpinism77]

any thoughts on using Tongkat Ali while on TRT / low dose cycle to reduce cortisol, improve erectile function and sleep?

 

[BubbleslovesKitties]

tongkat did fuck all for me as a testosterone booster and sleep aid. but i've had low test since highschool and no otc test booster has ever shown improvements in my labs.

 

[Highly ecto]

any thoughts on using Tongkat Ali while on TRT / low dose cycle to reduce cortisol, improve erectile function and sleep?

As for supplements, look into phosphatylserine for high cortisol and sleep. lf you can get a high quality phosphatylserine 50-70%, 200-300mgs 1 hour before bed will work well.

 

[alpinism77]

tongkat did fuck all for me as a testosterone booster and sleep aid. but i've had low test since highschool and no otc test booster has ever shown improvements in my labs.

I'm taking exogenous test, so I am not looking for the test boost. But I've read about erection quality, sleep, stress, etc.

 

[alpinism77]

Thanks dude... never heard of that supp. Will check out

As for supplements, look into phosphatylserine for high cortisol and sleep. lf you can get a high quality phosphatylserine 50-70%, 200-300mgs 1 hour before bed will work well.

 

[Highly ecto]

Thanks dude... never heard of that supp. Will check out

If you decide to try it,
7,8 Benzoflavone Complex sold by Barlowes herbal Elixers has 360mg
of phosphatylserine 70% per capsule, so you wouldn't need any more than 1 capsule a day.

 

[BigTomJ]

Won't help with corizol but magnesium, zinc, and P5P all have well noted sleep benefits and work well for me. Especially magnesium.

Dietary Zinc Acts as a Sleep Modulator - PMC

While zinc is known to be important for many biological processes in animals at a molecular and physiological level, new evidence indicates that it may also be involved in the regulation of sleep. Recent research has concluded that zinc serum ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The effect of magnesium supplementation on primary insomnia in elderly: A double-blind placebo-controlled clinical trial - PMC

Nearly 50% of older adults have insomnia, with difficulty in getting to sleep, early awakening, or feeling unrefreshed on waking. With aging, several changes occur that can place one at risk for insomnia, including age-related changes in various ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

P5P might be a bit but it's miss since the literature is a bit divided, but anecdotally for me, I notice an improvement in restful sleep quantity.

Google "calm" by natural vitality. They have a powder preparation that you just have with a glass of water immediately before bed and (anecdotally for me) drastically improves my sleep quality

 

[alpinism77]

Won't help with corizol but magnesium, zinc, and P5P all have well noted sleep benefits and work well for me. Especially magnesium.

Dietary Zinc Acts as a Sleep Modulator - PMC

While zinc is known to be important for many biological processes in animals at a molecular and physiological level, new evidence indicates that it may also be involved in the regulation of sleep. Recent research has concluded that zinc serum ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The effect of magnesium supplementation on primary insomnia in elderly: A double-blind placebo-controlled clinical trial - PMC

Nearly 50% of older adults have insomnia, with difficulty in getting to sleep, early awakening, or feeling unrefreshed on waking. With aging, several changes occur that can place one at risk for insomnia, including age-related changes in various ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

P5P might be a bit but it's miss since the literature is a bit divided, but anecdotally for me, I notice an improvement in restful sleep quantity.

Google "calm" by natural vitality. They have a powder preparation that you just have with a glass of water immediately before bed and (anecdotally for me) drastically improves my sleep quality

Interesting stuff, thanks for the response. I do use magnesium before bed, with a Vitamin D In the morning. Definitely find the mag helps. Something about one helping the absorption of the other, and I might have read that one can deplete the other? Maybe not. I seem to remember a 10:1 Ratio. 250mg magnesium to 2500 vit D.
Interesting as well was the different variants of Magnesium. Threonate seems to be the most psychoactive one, haven't tried it yet.

P5P was always one that never made me feel good. Always felt really wonky taking it. Used it as a dopamine agonist on low dose tren cycles

 

[ChevChelios]

I was curious more about it’s supposed SERM/AI properties as in theory it lowers e2 and shbg