Time Of Day For Clen, Protein, Taurine And Creatine

[Brad B]

I am a noob. 33 years, 5'6, 230 LBS. Clearly my goal is weight loss but at same time looking to gain some lean muscle. After some research I have decided on these supplements/helpers:
clenbuterol
Taurine
Protein Shakes
Creatine

I am pretty set on taking the clen for a while and the taurine as it seems to be a must when taking clen. I am open to dropping the creatine as online seems to have as much negative as positive. My question for the folks here is on time of day to take these things and whether I should keep the creatine. Based on research online I've come up with this rough plan. Note that I plan on doing the incremental cycle for clen as opposed to 2 weeks on/off and due to work my usual workout time is in the evening, weekends are mornings:

-Take 40MCG clen when waking up (2 weeks of 40MCG/day, day 14-28 80MCG/day then peak at 120MCG/day)
-Protein shake when I get to work in morning
-Taurine before/during the workout
-Taurine after workout
-Protein shake after workout
-creatine within 30 minutes after workout

Any tips on rearranging this would be much appreciated and whether to keep the creatine. I'm sure some people have tips on the clen cycle as well but I will post a separate thread in the proper section for my questions on that.

 

[jessmac]

Most ppl take creatine before workout but it shouldn't matter too much as it will build up in your system over the course of the first week.

 

[RodgerThat]

So 100% of this is crap without your TDEE and your macros which I'm sure you either don't have dialed in or haven't been tracking at all

 

[Brad B]

So 100% of this is crap without your TDEE and your macros which I'm sure you either don't have dialed in or haven't been tracking at all

I havent begun tracking no but I've done the numbers. I'm looking at needing about 2200-2300 calories per day. 219g/day carbs, 230g/day protein and 67g/fat. My calories intake in the right ballpark though the breakdown of carbs, protein and fat I haven't begun tracking yet. As mentioned I'm pretty new to this. So as long as I maintain this plan to keep my BMR, TDEE and macro in check, what adjustments would you make to my clen, creatine, taurine plan?

 

[RodgerThat]

Okay so your BMR isn't something you can change... Our TDEE is your total daily energy expenditure so that's something you need to figure out then you can make your DCA (daily calorie allotment) a 500cal deficit from your TDEE your macro ratio looks fine for cutting though. Don't even bother with any of the drugs until you've been tracking successfully on your diet for 3months and have that down so that when you plateau you can utilize the PEDs to break through and continue progress.

If you do it that way you will learn a lot more and having lasting long term progress. If you just jump on clen and guestimate your calories you will get results but they will be suboptimal and short term and since you won't really learn much about nutrition and your body you'll be back to square 1 within a couple of months after I'm sure.

 

[Gnarkill]

Most ppl take creatine before workout but it shouldn't matter too much as it will build up in your system over the course of the first week.

The second I take a sip of creatine I get instant squirts I'm a man so it's not the good kind of squirt

 

[Brad B]

Okay so your BMR isn't something you can change... Our TDEE is your total daily energy expenditure so that's something you need to figure out then you can make your DCA (daily calorie allotment) a 500cal deficit from your TDEE your macro ratio looks fine for cutting though. Don't even bother with any of the drugs until you've been tracking successfully on your diet for 3months and have that down so that when you plateau you can utilize the PEDs to break through and continue progress.

If you do it that way you will learn a lot more and having lasting long term progress. If you just jump on clen and guestimate your calories you will get results but they will be suboptimal and short term and since you won't really learn much about nutrition and your body you'll be back to square 1 within a couple of months after I'm sure.

So I've been doing the calorie count pretty religiously. I've dropped 8 pounds in a week and half. Clen was just ordered and shipped so still about 3 weeks before it even arrives. I'm slowly finding the diet and routine I need. As I'm 5'6 and now siting at round 225LBS I still have long way to. My primary goal reducing body fat % and getting to a healthier weight. What is longest I should go in this weight loss/cutting phase before trying to bulk? I want to lose the fat but at some point in the next year I would also like to begin to look like someone that lifts.

 

[RodgerThat]

So I've been doing the calorie count pretty religiously. I've dropped 8 pounds in a week and half. Clen was just ordered and shipped so still about 3 weeks before it even arrives. I'm slowly finding the diet and routine I need. As I'm 5'6 and now siting at round 225LBS I still have long way to. My primary goal reducing body fat % and getting to a healthier weight. What is longest I should go in this weight loss/cutting phase before trying to bulk? I want to lose the fat but at some point in the next year I would also like to begin to look like someone that lifts.

Get to a point where you are comfortable with your weight and body fat level then start bulking. You are in a beginner phase so lifting weights now will make muscle development still. If you diet for long periods of time like you need to I suggest doing your calorie deficit for 12-16 weeks then reverse diet to a maintanence level hold that for 2 weeks then go back to a cutting calorie area it will be better for your body to have a break and for your mental state