Test + Dbol Cycle Design

[Cruise22]

I’ve been on Test P for about 4 months now—started at 30mg a day and just bumped it up to 60mg recently (titrated from 30 > 40 > 50 with most recent labs done at 50 mg two weeks ago). All my bloodwork looks good, except LH and FSH are totally shut down. I’ve been dying to throw in something new but couldn’t decide. I’ve been dropping weight slowly, eating at maintenance most days and dipping below 1-2 times a week. Sitting at around 185lbs, probably 12-15% BF—got a visible four-pack without flexing, plus veins popping in my legs and arms.

Not super into that super dry, hard, vascular look, so I’m thinking about adding DBol just pre-workout, like 5-10mg, to get a fuller, rounder look. My E2 was 20 pg/mL on 50mg Test P daily. Since I don’t aromatize a ton, is bumping to 60mg and tossing in DBol only on training days (pre-workout, 5-10mg, 3-4 days a week) a smart move? Or are there better “wet” compounds for that full, pumped feel? Got Primo on hand if E2 spikes too much—hoping to keep it 25-35 pg/mL on 60mg. I know DBol turns into 17α-methylestradiol instead of straight E2, so no real controlling that, which is why I’d only hit it pre-workout a few days a week.

 

[IndividualMan]

primo as short trem E2 control is stupid. wont work quick enough. get your hands on a SERM like ralox/tamox/toremifene for E2 emergencies.
dont increase dosage + add another source of E2 at the same time.

Maybe just add in 5-10 mg Dbol once a week, then up it to 2x/week if you enjoy it, then take a break until bloods/lipids are good, and then consider if you want to take it for 4-6 weeks on every training day.

also, do T cyp or E instead of prop. more stable levels even with EOD injections vs porp ED injections

 

[IndividualMan]

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[SmallTitsIRL]

If you want the fuller rounder look just had GH. Bio identical hormone less sides.
Or go with Nandrolone, which is also an option.
If you decide to go with the D-Bol route take some Aromasin or Arimidex.

More information here

 

[adrenalytic]

Test p.

 

[DeodatoFulci]

Test p.

Another Clav devotee perhaps? Haha.

 

[Cruise22]

primo as short trem E2 control is stupid. wont work quick enough. get your hands on a SERM like ralox/tamox/toremifene for E2 emergencies.
dont increase dosage + add another source of E2 at the same time.

Maybe just add in 5-10 mg Dbol once a week, then up it to 2x/week if you enjoy it, then take a break until bloods/lipids are good, and then consider if you want to take it for 4-6 weeks on every training day.

also, do T cyp or E instead of prop. more stable levels even with EOD injections vs porp ED injections

Thanks for the sound advice, manipulating many variables at the same time is silly. I’ll start with adding 5 mg of DBol pre WO once per week, maybe then twice a week and play with it for 4-6 weeks then pull labs.

Reason I started with Test P is to be able to pull the plug if I don’t like how I’m feeling as I started to titrate up, 30 > 40 > 50 > 60. Once I find my sweet spot I’ll likely switch to Test E. IMHO I think it’s risky to have a long acting compound if you don’t know how you’re going to react to it. I’m not trying to throw the kitchen sink at my body to address out of range markers. I think too many people overly rely on pharma ancillaries.

Anyway thanks for the sound advice.

 

[Cruise22]

If you want the fuller rounder look just had GH. Bio identical hormone less sides.
Or go with Nandrolone, which is also an option.
If you decide to go with the D-Bol route take some Aromasin or Arimidex.

More information here

My IGF-1 is decent, upper reference range for my age, 32 y/o. Have friends who have run it and complain about minor CTS and unfavorable water retention. So I rather not, at least not now. Rather dabble with another AAS, at mild dosages that are fast acting and are more anabolic. I have aromasin on hand but hoping I don’t have to use it. Although I would rather pull the Dbol.

Nandrolone has been on my mind particularly NPP, since I shoot daily. I’ll likely take 5-10 mg DBol for a spin PWO only, ideally 4-6 weeks if no clear sides surface.

Thanks for the input

 

[SmallTitsIRL]

Test p.

Another Clav devotee perhaps? Haha.

What's your issue with test P? G is pinning daily and keeping stable levels.
I use Test P and inject EOD.
Do you have anything pointing how bad test P is?

 

[adrenalytic]

What's your issue with test P? G is pinning daily and keeping stable levels.
I use Test P and inject EOD.
Do you have anything pointing how bad test P is?

It's not the ester - it's foolish reasoning for using it. P has its uses. BnC is not one of them.

For whatever reason people seem to think they can just PCT off P easier like they are somehow magically less suppressed. It might be faster to clear the hormone but rest assured you run the same risks coming off P as you do any other ester.

Go ahead and pin ever day of it makes you feel good but you will never achieve the same serum stability offered by longer esters.

And that's not taking into account the scar tissue buildup of using prop endlessly. And the PIP.

This illusion of control can blind them to real problems. It offers no meaningful advantage for a beginner and actually adds complexity.

But they feel safe because their favorite influencer said it was good. Crack on fella.