Sust Only Cycle

[dumbbellpress]

"with all the ancillaries available today a first time cycler can use upwards of a gram a week plus his other anabolics with minimal sides." - I completely agree with him. Always use caution when using 17 alpha alkylated orals. I always recommend people to run DBol for no longer than 6 weeks at a time. But Testosterone is so unbelievably safe there is no need for this "OH GOD, A NEWBIE SHOULD NEVER USE MORE THAN 500MG/WEEK OF TEST CAUSE THEY WILL DIE AND HAVE A MASSIVE MI AND THEN THEIR CHILDREN TOO WILL IMMEDIATELY DIE!!!!!" Give me a fucking break. A newbie very easily can use 1000 mg/week of test and not experience any bad sides at all and they will experience much better gains at 1000mg/week than they would at 500mg/week.
Bottom line, provided that all of the variables i mentioned previously are in place, will a newbie make TREMENDOUS gains off a 12 week cycle of weeks1-6 50mg/day DBol and weeks 1-12 500mg/week test??? Yes he will. I am walking living proof - my first cycle (again at 50mg / day DBol and 530mg/week of test i literally blew up - I had atleast 20 people in my gym ask me point blank "are you using steroids??" 500mg/week of test works VERY VERY well. But 1000 mg/week of test works SIGNIFICANTLY better.

dumbbellpress Future Husband of Jennifer Love Hewitt Cowboys 2004 Super Bowl Champs

 

[Deacon]

I am not even going to attempt to go into the facts listed in this thread - but for me to frontload 1gm for two or three weeks and then drop to 750 per week for about 12 or 15 weeks works the best. I have never had the weight gains listed above but I gain weight and strength and maintain most of it every time.

I still do not believe in sus only cycles but for those who it works for more power to them!
But I must add that anything over 1gm per week for a newbie or first cycle is foolish. I would suggest 500 per week for a first cycle.

 

[Phreezer]

I think a lot of people forget just how well they grow on their first cycle (your body responds so well to AAS that I just don't think you need to do a gram a week to net good gains from a cycle)....and I appreciate your words and thoughts dbp, I really do! IMO I honestly don't believe that a first time user will get THAT much more benefit out of a gram a week vs. 500mg. I'd bet that it would be less than 10lbs overall benefit (and that includes water and fat). And I think there is a big difference in sides from 1000mg vs. 500mg. For Me personally, I've sure noticed a difference in side effects when I've taken 1000mg vs. 500mg of test...I REALLY noticed a difference every time I've ever gone 1000mg+ a week. Whenever I've used that much I've had some very crappy sides. So honestly, It's been awhile since I did over 750mg Weekly of test (and I'm a 270lb powerlifter)

My problem with the above post...It fell under the bazooka theory....MORE is not always better, and to tell some guy who's never even put a needle in his body, "Dude, go ahead and do a gram a week of test..You'll gain soooo much more than that stupid old school conservative way.....and you don't have to worry about any sides because ancillaries are soooo good now a days...Seriously Dude, just start doing EOD injections and you'll gain 40lbs and keep 32 of it"......THAT IS JUST ridiculous.....come on...Surely I'm not the only one that thinks a newbie shouldn't do a Gram of test a week in his first cycle......Am I?

Now, with all that being said...am I 100% right? I could be, or I could be off my flipp'n rocker.....In no way is what I say the absolute 100% set in stone way to do anything...I'm simply offering my opinion..THAT'S ALL..So, does that mean my opinion is any better than Poseidon's or Dumbbell presses??? It may be, it may not be, it's up to the reader to decide..It's up to the reader to wade through everything and come up with their own conclusion. Often times there is truth mixed in two opinions even if both are opposite.

Personally, I am one to always error on the side of caution...and since I'm older now, I tend to do that allot more than I used to.. It could mean that I'm older, smarter and wiser...or it could mean that I'm a crack pot old man on the road to drawing social security, and don't know shit from Shineola

Ultimately, It's up to you guys to decide for yourselves.....It's good to have differing opinions, as it will force users to do more research before they plunge a needle in their bodies...and that's always a good thing!

 

[Texas Ranger]

Phreezer, I agree with you 100%. If a newbie took 1000mgs of Test per week their first time out, will the gains be better? Probably, but not that much more to warrant the 1000mgs of Test. Like Phreezer said 10lbs more at best. But, I guess it goes back to your goals, too. If you followed Dumbbellpress' protocol 1-5, you would DEFINITELY see AWESOME results with 500mgs of Test weekly with a little Dbol...

 

[dumbbellpress]

Hey Phreezer if I came across as a butthole please accept my apology. You do a great job as a moderator here at Meso. I tried to get my point across as diplomatically as possible. In no way shape or form do I not respect your opinion. You have always been here for me and I appreciate that more than you will ever know. LOL I guess in the grand scheme of things you probably know 10 times more than I do about AAS, nutrition and training. I am a baby when it comes to juicing - my first cycle was July 2001. Maybe if I keep on learning and improving my knowedge base I might know as much as you one day. Hope your day is a good one friend.

dumbbellpress Future Husband of Jennifer Love Hewitt Cowboys 2004 Super Bowl Champs

 

[forbodybuilders]

500mg sustanon a week + some antiestrogens are ok,+ clomids for end! if you will eat and train like you need to do,you can get 15-20 lbs for 100%

forbb

 

[kent1]

,,,,,,either you do some deca ,at least !...or you ill have to do 750 mg per week on the sust, till all the receptors are closed. I woudnt do that, though.
Good lucl anyways.
Kent

 

[ramboj70]

500mg week

,,,,,,either you do some deca ,at least !...or you ill have to do 750 mg per week on the sust, till all the receptors are closed. I woudnt do that, though.
Good lucl anyways.
Kent

Bro I would do 500mg week on my first cycle I only did 250mg sust and gained about 20lbs your first cycle probably should be your most gained cycle. so save your money and go 500mg week I would put some d-bol for weeks 1-6 and put some deca in to help mix the sust and keep the joints lubed up. my frickin joints hurt when on sust. you might think about doing test eth you get more for the money, just my opion! have a great day merry christmas

 

[kent1]

yes, maybe if you have some testex Elmu on hand , at least you were replacing some of the sust.
Kent