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Sust Only Cycle
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WannaImpress
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BBBB83 said:
BB, hey bro. don't even bother in tapering. Just do a solid 500mgs/week. I did they same cycle some time ago and gain about 15lbs but was bloated, ended up with 12lbs at the end. Gotta love those Organon rediject's and Polysteron's!
glock40_1979
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if i were you
i would stretch it at least 10 weeks . i promise youll like it alot better
i would stretch it at least 10 weeks . i promise youll like it alot better
joe shmoe
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first things first...sust should be an EOD shot to make th most of the prop...as was mentioned above. second...i would run the cycle for 10 weeks, not 8. third, why bother with sust? use enanthate. enanthate could be shot 2x a week without any problems, and you'll be getting more bang for the buck. fourth, again as was mentioned above...tapering is old school. no need for it.
do you have a recovery plan?
have a nice day
do you have a recovery plan?
have a nice day
Deacon
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I agree dont pyramid it and run it straight- unless you frontload which well with sus.
For me it takes about 750 mgs per week to work well but for you as a first timer 500 will do alot.
I have run sus alone in the past but suggest using d-bol with it weeks 1-6.
Also run your sus for at least 12 weeks for the best gains.
For me it takes about 750 mgs per week to work well but for you as a first timer 500 will do alot.
I have run sus alone in the past but suggest using d-bol with it weeks 1-6.
Also run your sus for at least 12 weeks for the best gains.
thebignipper
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I think you should plan it for 10 weeks min, like others have said. Also, just so you find this out before the pain, you'll want to dilute the sust with some sterile oil before you inject or it will hurt BAD. ALso, as mentioned, try and add some D-Bol for a month or month and a half. You'll definitely appreciate those additional gains.
You need to plan out your recovery now. I don't think Clomid alone will do it. You'll also need some HCG IMO.
Good luck, do a little more research and don't be afraid to ask questions here.
Mike
You need to plan out your recovery now. I don't think Clomid alone will do it. You'll also need some HCG IMO.
Good luck, do a little more research and don't be afraid to ask questions here.
Mike
It sounds like you are new at this do yourself a favor and disregard anything from anyone that says you should start with a Gram a week....what do you mean atlmo?
Can you give me reason why one should not do so? I think thats pretty old school much like tapering...with all the ancillaries available today a first time cycler can use upwards of a gram a week plus his other anabolics with minimal sides.
Can you give me reason why one should not do so? I think thats pretty old school much like tapering...with all the ancillaries available today a first time cycler can use upwards of a gram a week plus his other anabolics with minimal sides.
Texas Ranger
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Can you give me reason why one should not do so? I think thats pretty old school much like tapering...with all the ancillaries available today a first time cycler can use upwards of a gram a week plus his other anabolics with minimal sides.[/QUOTE]
Bro, a gram of anything is NEVER good for a newbie because it's just NOT needed. C'mon, bro! Be responsible when giving advice.
Bro, a gram of anything is NEVER good for a newbie because it's just NOT needed. C'mon, bro! Be responsible when giving advice.
Poseidon said:
Old school? That makes little sense....Why use more than is necessary? Why give yourself increased side effects when it isn't at all necessary?
A gram a week of test is for guys who are much more experienced and are much larger and who need larger amounts to grow..There is nothing "old school" about what Mo is suggesting it's simple common sense and has a relation to blood levels, side effects, future cycles, money and time...
And wrt to your ancillaries comment...That is completely untrue,,,and completely unfounded...A gram of test a week will definatly give you night sweats, heart palps, and insomnia....What can Femara, arimidex, or Nolvadex do for those?
If you want to do sust twice a week that is fine also IMO...Sust acts a single ester if shot in this manner, and 500mg a week for 8 weeks would net you some nice gains especially if this is your first cycle....There is no need for tappering, and IMO if this is your first cycle, there is no need for frontloading either.
Texas Ranger
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Also, guys are just taking in account just the Prop when talking about Sust/Omna. This is wrong! Go over to www.cuttingedgemuscle.com, www.elitefitness.com, and www.steroidology.com. BigAndy13, has a chart that clearly shows that Sust/Omna should be used and treated as a single ester with a half-life of 6-7 days despite all the misinformation that has been parroted back & forth for the past 15-20 years. Keep an open mind and take a look at those threads. He also posted the same info on here before the board change. So, you won't be able to find it.
Texas Ranger
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Damn Phreezer, you beat me to it! But, you are ABSOLUTELY correct!! Sust/Omna should used in this manner.
But, you are ABSOLUTELY correct!! Sust/Omna should used in this manner.Well Pheezer....have you done first cycles with over a gram a week, probably not. From first hand experience the more you use, the better your results given the caloric intake is also greater. That is old school...the whole receptor downregulation shit. While 1 gram will not yield twice as many gains as 500mg, the gains will be significantly more. Maybe you should give it a shot and then thank me. As far as sides.....how about none, most side effect shit, liver toxicity and what not is far exaggerated. I remember when everyone used to recommend dbol/deca cycles, tapering, etc.
My first cycle 1250mg sus wk, 50mg naps ED, Fina 100mg ED....gained 40 kept 32. No fat gains. No insomnia, nights sweats, or heart palps.
A nice little link:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=199362
My first cycle 1250mg sus wk, 50mg naps ED, Fina 100mg ED....gained 40 kept 32. No fat gains. No insomnia, nights sweats, or heart palps.
A nice little link:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=199362
Poseidon said:
Well, considering that's it only possible to do ONE first cycle (I'm not Desi) My first cycle was not at 1gram+ a week, but I've done enough cycles over a gram a week to learn that More is not necessarily better. And considering the fact that on your first cycle (Which no matter what, will always be your best cycle) You'll grow just driving by the gym, it's completely unnecessary to use that high of an amount..side effects be damned, it's simply a waist of money, and will not give you any more benefit than 500mg Weekly would.
Poseidon said:
See, this kind of thinking is what's wrong with alot of the boards today...The Bazooka theory is not correct, and more often than not will cause a user signifigant problems down the road. - The more you use WILL NOT result in MORE gains (even if you are eating and training properly). If your way of thinking is correct then perhaps a first timer should use 2 grams a week, or maybe even three...then He'll gain a hundred lbs in one cycle and be ready for the mr. O after just one cycle....lol....There comes a point of diminishing returns, and on a first cycle that threshold is crossed rather quickly, I.E> will the pro's outweigh the cons by increasing dosage...?
Poseidon said:
Well, no one but you mentioned receptor downregulation...and it's a first CYCLE..so why would starting off with 500mg weekly over 1000mg have anything to do with receptor downregulation??? This whole comment doesn't seem to fit into this discussion at all....And thanks for acknowleding the fact that 1 gram will not yield twice as many gains as 500mg....but I'm afraid the gains will not be significantly more....very minor gains to tell the truth....
Poseidon said:
Well, I've done many 1gram + cycles in my youth and learned that more is not always better....I certainly don't feel the need to thank you for anything. You did waste my time, by forcing me to reply to these ridiculous statements that you keep making, and I don't believe I'll be thanking you for that anytime in the near future...
Now to address the sides comments...."As far as sides.....how about none, most side effect shit, liver toxicity and what not is far exaggerated." ......Do you have any studies to back up this statement? Or did you recieve this knowledge while sitting in the dessert eating mushrooms? So what if you remember the classic Dbol Deca cycle...and tapering etc...What does that prove...Because tapering was foolish Idea..all information (before you came here to enlighten us) is incorrect?
Poseidon said:
WOW...Chad Nichaels had better watch out. You gained 40 lbs off of your first cycle? If this is true...(which I have my doubts, but this is the internet afterall, so that means we've all got 12" dicks and fucked eachothers mothers) Then you were so far below your genetic potentiol when you started your first cycle that you had no business even starting a cycle in the first place...which would suggest that you had no idea how to diet and train in the first place, which would lead me to believe that you couldn't gain 40lbs in one cycle even if you were 100% ontop of your game...It reeks of lies..but hey..once again..this is the internet, and if you wanna claim those numbers..who am I to dispute you..
And to keep 32lbs off of a first cycle is astounding! Which leads me back to the whole you were so far under genetic potential you shouldn't have been cycling in the first place..which leads down a whole road of bullshit that I've alllready addressed.
Poseidon said:
Personaly, I could give two shits less what your link says. I've been in this game long enough, and I've certainly done enough cycles to know what I'm talking about when it comes to side effects, and I've helped enough guys with their first cycles to learn that just by dumping more test in your body you will not get more gains....
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Damn Pheezer, If 1 gram yields not much more than 500, why not go with 250mg then first cycle. Using your rationale 500 would be a waste of money....and before you go lecturing me learn how to spell. It is waste of money not waist of money. I would address each of your statments individually but I haven't the time. If you dont believe my weight increase then I can fax you some medical summaries with dates showing pre-cycle weight, test, free test, and three months post-cycle weight, test, free test. If you dont believe me then thats fine. Im no internet bad ass, I have no 12 inch dick, and being 20 there is no way I had reached my genetic potential but when you assume that I am lying then thats your problem. You seem to be such the self-proclaimed guru why dont you make some money training the pros like chad and quit waisting your time being a meso board moderator.
You missed my point entirely, it seems to me that you were so offended by the fact that I did not believe your outrageous statements that you've allowed that to take away from the points that I was originally trying to make.
If the largest problems you can find with my post are misspelled words; than It would appear this "Guru" has done his job. (I never claimed to be a Guru, and actually consider myself far from it) *thanks for the compliment though!
****Oh yes...please do post your medical evidence...I would very much like to see it!
If the largest problems you can find with my post are misspelled words; than It would appear this "Guru" has done his job. (I never claimed to be a Guru, and actually consider myself far from it) *thanks for the compliment though!
****Oh yes...please do post your medical evidence...I would very much like to see it!
I have a buddy that I gave him a 50cc jug of organon Sust250 purchased from Sombat. He shot .8 cc's EOD so he was using 700mg Sust per week. He ran this for 12 weeks as a Sust only cycle. Once again Sombat's gear is as good as it gets - he added 26 pounds and his strength.....LOL At the beginning of his cycle he benched 225 lbs 10-11 reps depending on the day. At the end of his cycle, after 12 weeks of Sombat's Sust at 700mg/week he benched 225 lbs 20 times!!! Unbelieveable. My results with Sombat's Sustanon is pretty much exactly the same. My last three cycles have been his Sust at 2500mg/week for weeks 1-2 and 1250 mg/week for weeks 3-12 along with 100mg/day IP Dbol for weeks 1-6. I am a firm bliever that Sombat's gear is as good as it gets.
dumbbellpress Future Husband of Jennifer Love Hewitt Cowboys 2004 Super Bowl Champs
dumbbellpress Future Husband of Jennifer Love Hewitt Cowboys 2004 Super Bowl Champs
Millineum Man
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Dumbbellpress, was that your friend's First Cycle? Or did he have some cycles under his belt before starting??
Hey there. It was his first cycle in about 5 years. It had been a long time since he touched the stuff.
Phreezer, 99% of the time I agree with your posts and I have learned a lot from you over the years. I must say that on your statement "it's completely unnecessary to use that high of an amount..side effects be damned, it's simply a waist of money, and will not give you any more benefit than 500mg Weekly would" I completely disagree with you. You mean to tell me that if you take a newbie - 1)he eats 50 grams of protein 7 times per day 2)he gets 8-9 hours of sleep every night 3)he trains his ass off to total failure on every set 5 times per week 4)he drinks 1 1/2-2 gallons of water per day 5)he takes vitamins three times per day 6) he has the option of taking 1000mg Sust per week at EOD injections VS 500 mg Sust per week at EOD injections - Phreezer you say
"it's simply a waist of money, and will not give you any more benefit than 500mg Weekly would" - wow I am scratching my head and I am in disbelief. Why would you think something so utterly ridiculous Phreezer???? You mean to to tell me that, if all those variables I mentioned were in place, you think Phreezer that he would not get any more gains from 1000mg/week of sust than with 500mg/week of Sustanon??? Very very very strange Phreezer.
And you act like the sides are so much worse at 1000mg/week than at 500mg/week???? I don't know what you are talking about. My last three cycles have been 1250 mg/week of Organon Sust and I experienced no worse sides than my first two cycles when I used 530 mg/week of Enanthate. High DBol doses and high A50 doses sure can elevate your SGPT and SGOT. But bad side effects from 1000mg/week of test???? Verry very strange statement Phreezer. I can take 2000 newbies. 1000 of them, provided that all of the variables I mentioned earlier are in place, give them 500 mg/week Sust. I can take another 1000 newbies and, again provided that all of the variables are in place, give them 1000mg/week Sust. I will bet my inheritance, my life and my future children's lives that the 1000 newbies that receive 1000 mg of Sust will experience significantly better gains than the 1000 that received only 500mg of Sust. You can put that in writing Phreezer - I bet my life the group receiving 1000 mg will do much better than those given 500 mg.
dumbbellpress Future Husband of Jennifer Love Hewitt Cowboys 2004 Super Bowl Champs
Phreezer, 99% of the time I agree with your posts and I have learned a lot from you over the years. I must say that on your statement "it's completely unnecessary to use that high of an amount..side effects be damned, it's simply a waist of money, and will not give you any more benefit than 500mg Weekly would" I completely disagree with you. You mean to tell me that if you take a newbie - 1)he eats 50 grams of protein 7 times per day 2)he gets 8-9 hours of sleep every night 3)he trains his ass off to total failure on every set 5 times per week 4)he drinks 1 1/2-2 gallons of water per day 5)he takes vitamins three times per day 6) he has the option of taking 1000mg Sust per week at EOD injections VS 500 mg Sust per week at EOD injections - Phreezer you say
"it's simply a waist of money, and will not give you any more benefit than 500mg Weekly would" - wow I am scratching my head and I am in disbelief. Why would you think something so utterly ridiculous Phreezer???? You mean to to tell me that, if all those variables I mentioned were in place, you think Phreezer that he would not get any more gains from 1000mg/week of sust than with 500mg/week of Sustanon??? Very very very strange Phreezer.
And you act like the sides are so much worse at 1000mg/week than at 500mg/week???? I don't know what you are talking about. My last three cycles have been 1250 mg/week of Organon Sust and I experienced no worse sides than my first two cycles when I used 530 mg/week of Enanthate. High DBol doses and high A50 doses sure can elevate your SGPT and SGOT. But bad side effects from 1000mg/week of test???? Verry very strange statement Phreezer. I can take 2000 newbies. 1000 of them, provided that all of the variables I mentioned earlier are in place, give them 500 mg/week Sust. I can take another 1000 newbies and, again provided that all of the variables are in place, give them 1000mg/week Sust. I will bet my inheritance, my life and my future children's lives that the 1000 newbies that receive 1000 mg of Sust will experience significantly better gains than the 1000 that received only 500mg of Sust. You can put that in writing Phreezer - I bet my life the group receiving 1000 mg will do much better than those given 500 mg.
dumbbellpress Future Husband of Jennifer Love Hewitt Cowboys 2004 Super Bowl Champs
