sp5der - QUALITY US DOMESTIC

[Photon]

21 vials left mig812 tren a 100. Large order just got paid and took most of it.

2 week ship timeline, orders taken now are preorders set to ship 1st January.

Working on getting more raw to restock it. I’m unsure of timeline yet.

Everything will be gone before opening lol

 

[readalot]

I am being realistic for the risk he is taking.

Many of these heathens don't care about the risks this dude is taking or the fact he is offering improvements they couldnt wrap their heads around even before the AAS induced retard-ism.

Cheap shit rules the day. I used to think attacking this issue via the vendors made sense. It really doesn't though. The sickness is in the "customer". What fraction are going to actually use the product they buy?

 

[readalot]

My overall point though is that we have boomer rubes who are suggesting blind price increases, irregardless of the market.

Incredibly ignorant comment. Thanks for your fantastic contribution to the forum here.

 

[sp5der]

Everything will be gone before opening lol

lol yeah. Tren will be. Test we have so much. Only sold ~ 5% of stock.

But yeah will start production on new batches immediately and always have new ones being made up and sent off for testing.

 

[Cman90]

Many of these heathens don't care about the risks this dude is taking or the fact he is offering improvements they couldnt wrap their heads around even before the AAS induced retard-ism.

Cheap shit rules the day. I used to think attacking this issue via the vendors made sense. It really doesn't though. The sickness is in the "customer". What fraction are going to actually use the product they buy?

Bro I am greatly appreciative for the risk he is taking and the quality of his product so far. That is why I've been doing business with him, despite being a brand new vendor. That does not mean I'm going to encourage him to raise his price to $50 vial...

I'm grateful for your contribution to harm reduction and raising standards, but the amount of meat riding you are doing in this thread is a bit suspect.

 

[sp5der]

Bro I am greatly appreciative for the risk he is taking and the quality of his product so far. That is why I've been doing business with him, despite being a brand new vendor. That does not mean I'm going to encourage him to raise his price to $50 vial...

I'm grateful for your contribution to harm reduction and raising standards, but the amount of meat riding you are doing in this thread is a bit suspect.

I appreciate your support

 

[jpe1]

thread is a bit suspect.

Given how new this source is, it definitely raises an eyebrow. No one should jump in blindly without a consistent proven track record that’s something only built over time. Chasing or hyping a new source seems to negate harm reduction efforts, especially when there’s only been a single batch so far?
Are they taking appropriate steps? Yes, and that’s encouraging. But suggesting pricing is wild and dick riding this early without proven consistency feels a bit odd.

 

[sp5der]

Given how new this source is, it definitely raises an eyebrow. No one should jump in blindly without a consistent proven track record that’s something only built over time. Chasing or hyping a new source seems to negate harm reduction efforts, especially when there’s only been a single batch so far?
Are they taking appropriate steps? Yes, and that’s encouraging. But suggesting pricing is wild and dick riding this early without proven consistency feels a bit odd.

Well there’s 2 batches of test c been sold and tested. 2 batches of tren been sold and tested. And making the third and fourth in the next 2 weeks

We done as much as possible in this short period of time, and even a customer blind test.

But time will tell. There’s always a risk but we have a ton of support from people that seem to like what they see !

 

[AllGoodThings]

21 vials left mig812 tren a 100. Large order just got paid and took most of it.

2 week ship timeline, orders taken now are preorders set to ship 1st January.

Working on getting more raw to restock it. I’m unsure of timeline yet.

Small detail, but I believe 1st January to be a federal holiday with no mail services.

 

[sp5der]

Small detail, but I believe 1st January to be a federal holiday with no mail services.

By ship I mean drop off but you are correct. They will start moving the 2nd

 

[readalot]

Some of you don't read worth a shit. No worries though. For apparently being on so many payrolls my percentage has been a consistent 0%. But that is good that you are looking for all the angles.

Raise your prices more.

People can pay for quality and a vendor who cares.

I vote he increases prices and fixes his hardware.

Why pay less?

Pay more and improve quality. Support domestic brewers who give a shit and open to improvements.

Charge more. I will happily pay more and others have shared their thoughts as well.

Promo code: "GiveEm5".

Add 5 bucks on each vial or order. Customer can choose. Pay a little extra for a vendor that gives a damn.

BLACK FRIDAY FLASH ....

15% MORE.

Pay for quality. Support vendors who give a F.

And then got accused of being a source by the very subscriber I went out of my way to help.

Merry f'n Christmas. Happy reading. Search bar is really cool tool as well. Underloved feature here.

Search hard. Read harder than last time.

 

[The Answ3r]

Many of these heathens don't care about the risks this dude is taking or the fact he is offering improvements they couldnt wrap their heads around even before the AAS induced retard-ism.

Cheap shit rules the day. I used to think attacking this issue via the vendors made sense. It really doesn't though. The sickness is in the "customer". What fraction are going to actually use the product they buy?

I get the point about vendor risk, but let’s be honest for a second. The average customer is not sitting there worrying about a vendor’s seizures, raws, or logistics. That’s the vendor’s path and the vendor’s risk. Unless someone is personally close with a source, most buyers simply do not care. They look at quality, consistency, and price. That’s it.

What surprises me more is how hard you’re pushing the “prices must go up” narrative, as if this is some moral obligation. When you actually look at the market, current pricing is already pretty well established. Among the bigger names on this forum, Stan and Opti are around $40 for test, and Primal, OEP, Arail, Defiant, and Neo are all clustered in the same general range. These guys run clean oil, good equipment, proper stoppers, and have been around long enough to earn trust.

No one is asking sp5der to sell $20 vials. But saying $50 per vial is the new normal purely because of “risk” and because it’s “how it should be done” feels like a stretch. Especially when the end product and experience are comparable.

From the outside, it honestly starts to feel less like market analysis and more like a small group trying to steer the narrative toward higher prices. Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s how it comes across. In the end, vendors can price however they want, and customers will do what they always do. Vote with their wallets.

 

[readalot]

I get the point about vendor risk, but let’s be honest for a second. The average customer is not sitting there worrying about a vendor’s seizures, raws, or logistics. That’s the vendor’s path and the vendor’s risk. Unless someone is personally close with a source, most buyers simply do not care. They look at quality, consistency, and price. That’s it.

What surprises me more is how hard you’re pushing the “prices must go up” narrative, as if this is some moral obligation. When you actually look at the market, current pricing is already pretty well established. Among the bigger names on this forum, Stan and Opti are around $40 for test, and Primal, OEP, Arail, Defiant, and Neo are all clustered in the same general range. These guys run clean oil, good equipment, proper stoppers, and have been around long enough to earn trust.

No one is asking sp5der to sell $20 vials. But saying $50 per vial is the new normal purely because of “risk” and because it’s “how it should be done” feels like a stretch. Especially when the end product and experience are comparable.

From the outside, it honestly starts to feel less like market analysis and more like a small group trying to steer the narrative toward higher prices. Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s how it comes across. In the end, vendors can price however they want, and customers will do what they always do. Vote with their wallets.

Good points. Standards are definitely improving and it is frankly amazing how easily people forget how recently some of these improvements have been made... if they are aware at all. I get your point though and appreciate your thoughtful analysis.

I have tried to be consistent since the beginning as an outsider with absolutely no financial conflict of interest. Actually out of pocket quite a few thousand on this idiotic hobby.

Bottom line:
Support margins that allow better testing, improved intermittent impurity surveillance, quality hardware, better brewing methods, etc., etc.

For fun go back to 2023 and see how many folks were using GCMS to characterize raws/oils or out Chinese oil resellers.

And on and on.