Photon
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Everything will be gone before opening lol
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Everything will be gone before opening lol
Many of these heathens don't care about the risks this dude is taking or the fact he is offering improvements they couldnt wrap their heads around even before the AAS induced retard-ism.
Cheap shit rules the day. I used to think attacking this issue via the vendors made sense. It really doesn't though. The sickness is in the "customer". What fraction are going to actually use the product they buy?
Incredibly ignorant comment. Thanks for your fantastic contribution to the forum here.
sp5der
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lol yeah. Tren will be. Test we have so much. Only sold ~ 5% of stock.
But yeah will start production on new batches immediately and always have new ones being made up and sent off for testing.
Bro I am greatly appreciative for the risk he is taking and the quality of his product so far. That is why I've been doing business with him, despite being a brand new vendor. That does not mean I'm going to encourage him to raise his price to $50 vial...
I'm grateful for your contribution to harm reduction and raising standards, but the amount of meat riding you are doing in this thread is a bit suspect.
sp5der
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I appreciate your support
jpe1
New Member
Given how new this source is, it definitely raises an eyebrow. No one should jump in blindly without a consistent proven track record that’s something only built over time. Chasing or hyping a new source seems to negate harm reduction efforts, especially when there’s only been a single batch so far?
Are they taking appropriate steps? Yes, and that’s encouraging. But suggesting pricing is wild and dick riding this early without proven consistency feels a bit odd.
sp5der
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Well there’s 2 batches of test c been sold and tested. 2 batches of tren been sold and tested. And making the third and fourth in the next 2 weeks
We done as much as possible in this short period of time, and even a customer blind test.
But time will tell. There’s always a risk but we have a ton of support from people that seem to like what they see !
AllGoodThings
Member
Small detail, but I believe 1st January to be a federal holiday with no mail services.
sp5der
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By ship I mean drop off but you are correct. They will start moving the 2nd
Some of you don't read worth a shit. No worries though. For apparently being on so many payrolls my percentage has been a consistent 0%. But that is good that you are looking for all the angles.
And then got accused of being a source by the very subscriber I went out of my way to help.
Merry f'n Christmas. Happy reading. Search bar is really cool tool as well. Underloved feature here.
Search hard. Read harder than last time.
And then got accused of being a source by the very subscriber I went out of my way to help.
Merry f'n Christmas. Happy reading. Search bar is really cool tool as well. Underloved feature here.
Search hard. Read harder than last time.
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I get the point about vendor risk, but let’s be honest for a second. The average customer is not sitting there worrying about a vendor’s seizures, raws, or logistics. That’s the vendor’s path and the vendor’s risk. Unless someone is personally close with a source, most buyers simply do not care. They look at quality, consistency, and price. That’s it.
What surprises me more is how hard you’re pushing the “prices must go up” narrative, as if this is some moral obligation. When you actually look at the market, current pricing is already pretty well established. Among the bigger names on this forum, Stan and Opti are around $40 for test, and Primal, OEP, Arail, Defiant, and Neo are all clustered in the same general range. These guys run clean oil, good equipment, proper stoppers, and have been around long enough to earn trust.
No one is asking sp5der to sell $20 vials. But saying $50 per vial is the new normal purely because of “risk” and because it’s “how it should be done” feels like a stretch. Especially when the end product and experience are comparable.
From the outside, it honestly starts to feel less like market analysis and more like a small group trying to steer the narrative toward higher prices. Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s how it comes across. In the end, vendors can price however they want, and customers will do what they always do. Vote with their wallets.
Good points. Standards are definitely improving and it is frankly amazing how easily people forget how recently some of these improvements have been made... if they are aware at all. As you see in last few pages many of these inprovements already taken for granted. I get your point though and appreciate your thoughtful analysis.
I have been consistent since the beginning as an outsider with absolutely no financial conflict of interest. Actually out of pocket quite a few thousand on this idiotic hobby.
Bottom line:
Support margins that allow better testing, improved intermittent impurity surveillance, quality hardware, better brewing methods, etc., etc.
For fun go back to 2023 and see how many folks were using GCMS to characterize raws/oils or out Chinese oil resellers.
And on and on.
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Rido
Subscriber
It's called a conflict of interest....
funsizedtrouble1234
New Member
$35 is fair. @sp5der started at $25, then upgraded to MIG812, so a price increase is normal. What matters is how he handled it: he gave people 1 for 1 at the same price on MIG812, which is rare and shows good intent.
Meanwhile, vendors charging $50 don’t seem to offer more. If you want $50, show what’s better: batch-specific third-party testing, tighter consistency, better packaging and shipping, and a real replacement policy. Again, @sp5der tests is raws and a sample before shipping orders.
Without that, $50 is just a markup. At the end of the day, if you want to pay $50, feel free. There are other vendors out there who will gladly accept it.
I just want my test at a price that is safe and fair to the producer and consumer.
Meanwhile, vendors charging $50 don’t seem to offer more. If you want $50, show what’s better: batch-specific third-party testing, tighter consistency, better packaging and shipping, and a real replacement policy. Again, @sp5der tests is raws and a sample before shipping orders.
Without that, $50 is just a markup. At the end of the day, if you want to pay $50, feel free. There are other vendors out there who will gladly accept it.
I just want my test at a price that is safe and fair to the producer and consumer.
sp5der
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Since preorders are being taken so many emails are coming in asking for it so here is the list. Prices are valid
View: https://pastebin.com/pjHHJRjL
View: https://pastebin.com/pjHHJRjL
Rido
Subscriber
From a consumer standpoint that's fine.
From a vendor/money making standpoint.
The cost of each vial product is about 8-9 dollars granted (minus time). With the value of testosterone per kilo now.
Minimum of 0 dollars worth shipping of 15.
Selling illegal drugs by shipment in the mail. Ship cost is about 11-12 dollars.
Makes 21-25 dollars minimum per controlled substance per drop off to the post office..
This is excluding loss of product due to damage, mis mailing, shit breaking in transit, etc.
You can't compare this to other sources. Some of them are out of raws and cannot restock.
I used to pump out 10 vials kits of test C for 250 shipped a week. But it was to the same consistent people, when test was 3 dollars a via. Etc. just doesn't make sense now.
I am simply telling OP to make his risk worth it.
I never had any conflict of interest in the meso market when I went private. Even now i never do. I am just looking out for those who public source like this
funsizedtrouble1234
New Member
Free market logic is incentives, not goodwill.
If a vendor is taking on extra friction and uncertainty to get a product to customers, they will price in more than raw cost plus shipping. They price in time, mistakes, replacements, customer service, and a risk premium for anything that can go wrong.
So when I see @sp5der’s pricing, I assume he understands exactly what he is doing. He is optimizing for profit relative to risk.
Stop comparing to “other sources” like it’s a stable retail shelf. In markets with scarcity and high uncertainty, price is set by supply, demand, and risk, not by what the ingredients cost.
@sp5der continues to prove he is an honest broker not through word, but his actions. Just like any business relationship, if that trust is broken, then there are other sources who can fill the gap.
If a vendor is taking on extra friction and uncertainty to get a product to customers, they will price in more than raw cost plus shipping. They price in time, mistakes, replacements, customer service, and a risk premium for anything that can go wrong.
So when I see @sp5der’s pricing, I assume he understands exactly what he is doing. He is optimizing for profit relative to risk.
Stop comparing to “other sources” like it’s a stable retail shelf. In markets with scarcity and high uncertainty, price is set by supply, demand, and risk, not by what the ingredients cost.
@sp5der continues to prove he is an honest broker not through word, but his actions. Just like any business relationship, if that trust is broken, then there are other sources who can fill the gap.
Rido
Subscriber
I was reselling test C from GoodLife and CCUSA m
I sold it for $45 a vial. That was just to help complete the order
And people are still buying from me and this was 2 years ago.
Honest sources are hard to come by as you can see from some of the behavior of the sponsors here. Buds I just want him to know that his stuff is worth more.
You have plenty of cheap asses here on this forum. They're irritating to deal with and that's why I stopped .
At this point I'm just depleting some raws
crispybacon!
Member
I’m assuming that you were reselling to people without the knowledge or means to find good online sources themselves? In that case, the markup makes sense. But anyone on this forum should be able to find quality sources for test for less than $45.
But let’s put the pricing topic to rest. I think @sp5der has already weighed in.
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