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Bunyon

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Anyone else unable to handle low dose NPP?
I've been running Test/Primo/NPP at 400/400/200 for the last 2 weeks. Ran the Test/Primo for a previous bulk with no issues. This time around I've had issues with appetite/feeling full quickly, disjointed sleep, flat mood, low libido. E2 is controlled and taking P5P for prolactin.

I know these aren't uncommon sides, but I'm surprised it happened so quickly at a low dose. Planning on stopping NPP to confirm it's the culprit. At least it'll be out of my system quickly.
 
I’m about to run npp for the first time in august. Seems everyone has a sweet spot to lesson the sides. Some are 1:1 T/NPP others need to run half or less than half, some even higher NPP than test.

I’m staring off with half my test dose.

Might be worth experimenting with that, nothing wrong with just dropping it completely either.
 
Bunyon said:
Anyone else unable to handle low dose NPP?
I've been running Test/Primo/NPP at 400/400/200 for the last 2 weeks. Ran the Test/Primo for a previous bulk with no issues. This time around I've had issues with appetite/feeling full quickly, disjointed sleep, flat mood, low libido. E2 is controlled and taking P5P for prolactin.

I know these aren't uncommon sides, but I'm surprised it happened so quickly at a low dose. Planning on stopping NPP to confirm it's the culprit. At least it'll be out of my system quickly.
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Only sides I got (and I also was only running at 200/week) were some cystic type acne on my back and I seemed to put on some water weight. I never did check my E2.

As far as the positives though, I did notice a boost in my strength.

I don't get some of the other sides people have with nandrolone but I def can't handle the sides I do get at more than 200/ml a week of deca or NPP.
 
Yeah nandrolone is a weird drug when it comes to mood and stuff bro. I’m running it for the first time (long ester form) and I love it no sides.
Have you pulled bloods? How do you know e2 is controlled and prolactin hasn’t risen? Some of the symptoms you’re describing might fit in the category of prolactin or estrogen out of balance. If you can I’d pull bloods and see what’s going on. You don’t need anything crazy you can just pull a sensitive e2 and a prolactin and go from there.
 
SenorSuperdrol said:
Yeah nandrolone is a weird drug when it comes to mood and stuff bro. I’m running it for the first time (long ester form) and I love it no sides.
Have you pulled bloods? How do you know e2 is controlled and prolactin hasn’t risen? Some of the symptoms you’re describing might fit in the category of prolactin or estrogen out of balance. If you can I’d pull bloods and see what’s going on. You don’t need anything crazy you can just pull a sensitive e2 and a prolactin and go from there.
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Leg_locker said:
Are you taking an ai along with the primo right now?
Sounds like ur estrogen might be tanked or p5p isn't enough to control ur prolactin
Like others have mentioned bloods will be the only way of knowing
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test9999 said:
Lots of dudes can't run primo or Mast at 1.1 with test. Could be your E2 is tanked, and nand isn't the problem.
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I ran 1:1 Test Primo in the past with no issues. Actually needed a low dose AI still, I aromatize heavily. Didn't do bloods since I figured 2 weeks was pretty early. Instead of pulling NPP I'm gonna continue it this week and get E2 and prolactin bloods done on Friday.

If things look normal and I still feel off I'll take out NPP, let Test and Primo fully saturate till 4 weeks then add it back in and see how I do. I want it to work since I'm looking full and pumped at only 200mg.
 
Bunyon said:
I ran 1:1 Test Primo in the past with no issues. Actually needed a low dose AI still, I aromatize heavily. Didn't do bloods since I figured 2 weeks was pretty early. Instead of pulling NPP I'm gonna continue it this week and get E2 and prolactin bloods done on Friday.

If things look normal and I still feel off I'll take out NPP, let Test and Primo fully saturate till 4 weeks then add it back in and see how I do. I want it to work since I'm looking full and pumped at only 200mg.
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There is someone in the QSC post talking about taking exogenous estrogen. Its not the first time Ive heard it mentioned because Ive seen it a handful of times before when people say Primo crashes their estrogen.

Its crazy how you have to balance things in this game sometimes. IMO if you ever get to the point where you think you need to inject estrogen, just stop doing whatever it is that brought you to this point.
 
Fattyone said:
Estoy a punto de ejecutar npp por primera vez en agosto. Parece que todo el mundo tiene un punto dulce para la lección de los lados. Algunos son 1:1 T/NPP, otros necesitan ejecutar la mitad o menos de la mitad, algunos incluso más NPP que la prueba.

Empiezo con la mitad de mi dosis de prueba.

Podría valer la pena experimentar con eso, tampoco tiene nada de malo dejarlo por completo.
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Hola amigo, has empezado con la NPP? Como va en cuanto a ganancias muscular
 
Sounds like low e2, are you taking AI? I dont need any AI at 500 test if mast/primo is involved. Everyones different ofcourse, trial and error.
 
Bunyon said:
I ran 1:1 Test Primo in the past with no issues. Actually needed a low dose AI still, I aromatize heavily. Didn't do bloods since I figured 2 weeks was pretty early. Instead of pulling NPP I'm gonna continue it this week and get E2 and prolactin bloods done on Friday.

If things look normal and I still feel off I'll take out NPP, let Test and Primo fully saturate till 4 weeks then add it back in and see how I do. I want it to work since I'm looking full and pumped at only 200mg.
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What's the result ?
 
Couldn’t handle low dose NPP. 10 mgs EOD. stacked w 70 test p ED, 50 mg winny (IM, ED).

- destroyed my cut , appetite exploded , fact that I was on tirz didn’t matter.
- made me a total prick to my family. Really nasty.
- killed any dopamine benefits that I get from winny or stimulants (rx)

i was running Arimidex OED, didn’t matter.

i wonder if all 19-nors are like this ? The culprit , IMO is the progestin nature of nandrolone. Progestin is what mind fucks women during PMS, at least the ones who get it badly. nukes the serotonin, which helps keep you calm and composed (not just not depressed), nukes the dopamine reward system , this brings more brain fog etc focus issues.

anyway , YMMV but for me this is a no go unless I can block these effects.
but even mental sides aside I’d be scared taking this cuz I really don’t need to be feeding my gut anymore. soending too much on tirz to turn it into a Placebo lol


would all 19-noRs be like this ?

was looking at that ripped stack with test-p, mast-p, and tren-a in 1:1:1 ratio. Maybe take a small dose of this to benefit from cutting and anabolism of tren, bump the test-p as an additional pin to help w the ratio
 
y777 said:
Couldn’t handle low dose NPP. 10 mgs EOD. stacked w 70 test p ED, 50 mg winny (IM, ED).

- destroyed my cut , appetite exploded , fact that I was on tirz didn’t matter.
- made me a total prick to my family. Really nasty.
- killed any dopamine benefits that I get from winny or stimulants (rx)

i was running Arimidex OED, didn’t matter.

i wonder if all 19-nors are like this ? The culprit , IMO is the progestin nature of nandrolone. Progestin is what mind fucks women during PMS, at least the ones who get it badly. nukes the serotonin, which helps keep you calm and composed (not just not depressed), nukes the dopamine reward system , this brings more brain fog etc focus issues.

anyway , YMMV but for me this is a no go unless I can block these effects.
but even mental sides aside I’d be scared taking this cuz I really don’t need to be feeding my gut anymore. soending too much on tirz to turn it into a Placebo lol


would all 19-noRs be like this ?

was looking at that ripped stack with test-p, mast-p, and tren-a in 1:1:1 ratio. Maybe take a small dose of this to benefit from cutting and anabolism of tren, bump the test-p as an additional pin to help w the ratio
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People all handle 19Nors differently. Deca makes me a sad sack of shit, tren makes me super paranoid and trest...life is perfect.
 
I ran low dose NPP and it ruined my emotions, my energy levels, and just overall felt shitty with low libido.
 
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