First time running a Test + NPP cycle

[Shoobiedoubie]

Last time i ran npp it was the cherry on top of my last cycle.

Week 1-6
300 test
300 primo

Week 7-12
500 test
500 primo

Week 12-17
500 test
400 primo
200 npp

Before adding the npp, my E2 was in a good range.

1st 3 weeks of adding npp was AMAZING. Lifts/pumps went up, libido was crazy. No gyno

Last 2 weeks still good pumps, lifts, libido but started getting fluffy nips. So I got bloodwork and decided to get off cycle. E2 was high (53.4), prolactin was in range (8.3)

Anyway, I want to run test and NPP only this time, and try to get the most out of this bulk. Any tips for ratios? With something like 500 test 500 NPP be good? I already have Arimidex and P5P on hand. Should I get some caber as well?

I have heard some people run the ratio 1:1 just looking for advice.

 

[cousinmuscles]

You lowered the primo on the third phase of that cycle. I wouldn't do that, estrogen will go up. If estrogen was good enough for no gyno sides at 500/500, then keep it there and add the NPP on top.

I would opt for a three phase cycle. In your last cycle you went from a total of 600mg on phase one, 1g on phase two, but just 1.1g on phase three. 300-400mg NPP is a good dose, try to milk as much gains as possible on this dose before you increase the dose. For a third phase that would be 500 test 500 primo 3-400 NPP. The smart thing about this longer multiple phase cycle is you get gains from each phase and you keep the harsher compounds for later. You end up with more cumulative gains than starting with test and NPP and ending it after 8 weeks total, and test and primo are mild on bloods and general health, so you are getting much more muscle for the time being on cycle.

The high dosage thing with nandrolone is something you have to try for yourself but generally most people feel horrible on high doses and believe it or not, more milligrams past a certain point does not give more muscle, just more side effects which make it harder to train hard, eat correctly and sleep well. I wouldn't cling on to any ratio but your blood work and symptoms will tell you what works and what doesn't.

 

[knucklesamich]

Reasonable cycle, I'm impressed. Cousin is right though, primo works very well to drop estrogen, so the increase in Test and addition of NPP, keep that Primo higher. Or, you need an AI. Using Primo is better.

 

[tweek]

I used to run my npp at half my test dose and never had any issues

600 test, 300 npp would be my go to

 

[Rival]

I blast for 8 weeks at 300mg test / 150mg NPP. I like to keep it 2:1 and enjoy the lower dose and get a lot out of it. I won’t really run NPP longer than 8 weeks just from my end

If I were to run it longer than 8 weeks at a 1:1 ratio I’d throw mast or proviron in there.

 

[Shoobiedoubie]

Reasonable cycle, I'm impressed. Cousin is right though, primo works very well to drop estrogen, so the increase in Test and addition of NPP, keep that Primo higher. Or, you need an AI. Using Primo is better.

Dude primo is the shit, i loved it, but i think it was fcking my hair up. Wanted to try this cycle without a dht present to see if that was the cause.