dinfar1337
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no problems. just more tests im building onto my database for free
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You bet man! Hopefully we can drive this to a critical path of what works. To stay away from class 2 solvents, maybe we could substitute the hexane for heptane . This way we could use a ethyl acetate/heptane system
dinfar1337
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i see walters account active yesterday.
i dont know if that means he frequents this thread. but if he does
tg - @dinfar1337 lets talk bro ill relay your words in here for since you've been fiffling with this for way longer than us. surely millard wont mind me putting a screenshot of some text in here relevant to helping us.
i dont know if that means he frequents this thread. but if he does
tg - @dinfar1337 lets talk bro ill relay your words in here for since you've been fiffling with this for way longer than us. surely millard wont mind me putting a screenshot of some text in here relevant to helping us.
For 60 USD (LOD plus KF), may be workable if you can prove LOD sensitivity is good enough (keep raws away from water, pack with desiccant, confirm with KF) and right solvent system. Nice point @mongo5165.
Tell him I wish him well and hope he is on the straight and narrow.
Photon
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I've actually been wondering if there's a way to get stuff tested at another lab. I know mzbiotech accepts cash payment. You could possibly drop samples off by USPS snail mail at a PO box and email them by protonmail to place a test order. You just place the payment in cash in the letter. It might even be more kyc friendly than pirate ship.
Id reckon they have more tests available (they might be the only DEA licensed lab that will accept public orders) but I've never had to try this before. I know some CN vendors have used them to test AAS hplc before.
Id reckon they have more tests available (they might be the only DEA licensed lab that will accept public orders) but I've never had to try this before. I know some CN vendors have used them to test AAS hplc before.
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@readalot I must say dude, you put in some serious work on this forum, pretty wild. Good work !
Im picking up one of these bad boys. Might give the best chance at blending down raws without getting shit everywhere . Let's give it a whirl. The smaller the particle the better the solvent extraction
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I am incurably stupid. Lol. Thanks though. Appreciate it.
dinfar1337
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hes a golden goose which keeps laying eggs
dinfar1337
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atleast your memory keeps up, i cant even remember what i ate 1 week ago
Photon
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Might want to look for one that's dishwasher safe
True but that's too much cross contamination for me. Trying not to pollinate the rest of the house lol. Isopropyl alcohol does great at cleaning up dryed raws, plus its cheap
dinfar1337
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walter pulled through
Walter -
we need to be focusing on using dehydrated solvents a lot of those solvents that you're buying from lab alley they're not actually extracted for moisture so you're going to be messing up your recrystallization uh what i would recommend is get some molecular sleeves activate them and anytime you get a solvent and you're going to do a recrystallization activate in your oven for like you know 400 celsius for like two hours cool it down pour it in your ethanol, for example, if you're doing testosterone and get that completely dry before you try to recrystallize because you're going to get more yield that way.
i do agree i like this guy is successfully figuring out that you have to freeze the testosterone and i think because testosterone and i think has a very um the thing about testosterone and i think is like it melts at room temperature or close to especially when impure so i love that he has to stick it in the freezer like he figured that out that's pretty cool uh yeah there's just a lot i mean i agree with everything you guys are doing you guys are doing good
but I would recommend the dehydrating the solvent aspect because that makes a huge difference. Any bit of water in your solvent when you're trying to recrystallize can mess it up because you use water as an anti solvent. You don't want it when you're first trying to get it to dissolve because that can mess up what impurities drop out because some impurities are water soluble actually. So you want completely dehydrated solvents.
Another aspect I find that you guys are way overly concerned about is solvents being in the raws. It's not possible. It just doesn't happen when you recrystallize the steroid properly. The thing about steroid recrystallization is when they're grown properly, they naturally reject impurities. It's when you do it wrong that they pull in the impurities that get trapped in the crystals. I'll show you an example.
isotrope reaction where it pulls in like in a weird impurity with molecular sleeves so it's better to buy it dehydrated but anyways this is provirion that started with pills and I was able to extreme extract large ass crystals the the bigger the crystal at least when it comes to the shorter stuff that doesn't have an ester the better when it comes to longer ester ones it's okay to get a powder but when it comes to these short acting esters or especially ones with no ester at all like proviron you want crystals you want rock
you it's like math right like it's it's literally that's how you know it's pure you can just look at it that's pure there's a polymorphism to every steroid and each one some some have double polymorphism some of them have like different looks uh like for trin acetate for example uh trin should always be a hexagonal crystal formation trin acetate specifically if it's not hexagonal it's a different polymorphism it's not as pure
thing I want to mention is when I purified my tren acetate and that that thing was popular like everyone bought that shit like crazy and that's not even that's not even the best beside the point um mine was almost light canary like the color got completely fixed off one pass of an acetone recrystallization I literally just like my when I first started the raws they were more orange but when I recrystallize it they were light ideal canary almost in color they almost looked white almost not not all the way but that alone tells me that the impurities that are in tren even though the testing you guys have been doing has been proven there's no really meaningful difference like whatever was in it got destroyed like like it just removed completely extracted and what was left with was only trim acetate and obviously you know whatever else just can't be extracted easily with just one pass but one pass was enough to clean it up that was the amazing part and and that that stuff was very good color
It's all this to like shorten it up. Don't be so concerned about these class two salt, all this stuff. Your main concern is you want to find a solvent that can be evaporated easily and
is weakly soluble for the compound at room temperature. It should only be very soluble when you heat it. That's the key thing about recrystallization is if you choose something that can hold your compound too well at room temperature, you're not going to crash it out. So you want something like acetone is pretty good for the shoulder acting stuff. It doesn't dissolve the compound at room temperature, but when you heat it, it will. But it's absolutely horrible.
for holding something because acetone cools down way too much.
Like, recrystallization is done on a large scale at factories. They use large stainless steel containers, reactionary vessels. You should read the patents on some of the synthesis of these steroids when they're producing it in large mass.
They actually recrystallize at large amounts. They use giant vats of these solvents and they make it crash out and then they collect the crystals at the bottom. That's what we're doing, but at a smaller scale.
So when people were saying I was absolutely nuts for suggesting this, I was like, dude, I'm just copying what factories do just on a small scale. And it's even easier to control at a smaller scale. That's why factories, they'll make large amounts of steroids, but sometimes the impurities or the batch might be not as pure because they have to do it in such a large scale.
They can't worry about the small percentage between 90% and 95%. But for us, we can, we can refine it. We can get to 99% pure.
I just want you guys to know that the whole raw impurity situation where China is producing, all this should be done at the manufacturer. We all should know this, right? This is the job of the chemist making the steroid, but it's not happening. They're lazy.
They're trying to push out products. So we have to clean it up. That's how I see it.
If you get a product and you're seeing it's below 90% pure, even for me, that makes me uncomfortable. But you've got to try to do something with it. And the information is already out there.
All these concepts.
If you've heard but I received a kilogram of India test and it tested I have testing on this 91% pure But look at the color and you know, what's funny the smell is horrendous. It smells cheesy nasty I did the gcms on it.
hplc & gcms provided by walter ^^ Janoshik Analytical
Nothing crazy indicated, but I had to figure it out myself. It's hepatonic acid So this stuff experienced hydrolysis. This is the funny thing about jano's testing. He cannot detect You know certain impurities just strut off the bat like he could test 90% pure even the fucking gcms says it's mostly testosterone and anthete with a little bit of degradation compound, which is obvious because you know looks like that but He can't he has to do a special testing to determine that it's hepatonic acid But it is heptonic acid has a cheesy smell when detached from a testosterone anthete Have you ever smelt like really pure testosterone neat?
It smells good because it's an ester It's the ester that gives it that smell when it's detached when most of it is It in the hydrolysis was already like progressed significantly
We don't have to just re-crystallize steroids, there's liquid to liquid extractions too. So for this example, if I take a sample of this and do a base wash with sodium bicarbonate, this would literally neutralize the hepatonic acid and turn it into a salt and that will remove the color and leave behind the testosterone and the ethate.
And obviously there's going to be test base in this. There's going to be free floating degradation compounds because the this obviously went through hydrolysis. So I mean, you know, there's not much I can do there.
I can only re-crystallize it and try to recover while I can. I mean, it's basically one kilogram of test. So with it, with the estimated purity being 91%, the GCM is saying it's about 88% of the testosterone.
I'm probably going to be able to recover majority of the product for free. Well, not for free. I mean, the solvents are pretty expensive, but it's just to give you an example, you could take seemingly trash and turn it into usable product that's really pure.
It gives you a, it's repulsive smell. When I first got this stuff tested, I was under the assumption that they sent me a bag of shit. I'll be honest with you. But when I found out it was 91% pure, I was like, oh shit, well, I can fix this.
I got a lot of fucking money. Someone sent this for free and they just gave it to me. And they said, do whatever I want with it. And you know, the fix for this,
I'll be honest with you. It really pisses me off that you guys have me banned because I can't fucking contribute I can't sit there like you guys are so far. I get I get your your whole Well, we can't have a source being I mean, come on.
I've got a piss that you guys banned me because I like to contribute and I could it's I could help you guys I mean, I'm not like a genius, you know, I'm not the most perfect guy, but I know a lot about this and I'm very passionate about it and I'm obsessed with it And it's my job at this point.
Like I literally make a job doing this now So this is like this like this is the fun part for me. I love I love doing this This is my most funnest thing in the day to do
ai summary of his audio files he sent me @readalot @Photon @mongo5165
Walter -
we need to be focusing on using dehydrated solvents a lot of those solvents that you're buying from lab alley they're not actually extracted for moisture so you're going to be messing up your recrystallization uh what i would recommend is get some molecular sleeves activate them and anytime you get a solvent and you're going to do a recrystallization activate in your oven for like you know 400 celsius for like two hours cool it down pour it in your ethanol, for example, if you're doing testosterone and get that completely dry before you try to recrystallize because you're going to get more yield that way.
i do agree i like this guy is successfully figuring out that you have to freeze the testosterone and i think because testosterone and i think has a very um the thing about testosterone and i think is like it melts at room temperature or close to especially when impure so i love that he has to stick it in the freezer like he figured that out that's pretty cool uh yeah there's just a lot i mean i agree with everything you guys are doing you guys are doing good
but I would recommend the dehydrating the solvent aspect because that makes a huge difference. Any bit of water in your solvent when you're trying to recrystallize can mess it up because you use water as an anti solvent. You don't want it when you're first trying to get it to dissolve because that can mess up what impurities drop out because some impurities are water soluble actually. So you want completely dehydrated solvents.
Another aspect I find that you guys are way overly concerned about is solvents being in the raws. It's not possible. It just doesn't happen when you recrystallize the steroid properly. The thing about steroid recrystallization is when they're grown properly, they naturally reject impurities. It's when you do it wrong that they pull in the impurities that get trapped in the crystals. I'll show you an example.
isotrope reaction where it pulls in like in a weird impurity with molecular sleeves so it's better to buy it dehydrated but anyways this is provirion that started with pills and I was able to extreme extract large ass crystals the the bigger the crystal at least when it comes to the shorter stuff that doesn't have an ester the better when it comes to longer ester ones it's okay to get a powder but when it comes to these short acting esters or especially ones with no ester at all like proviron you want crystals you want rock
you it's like math right like it's it's literally that's how you know it's pure you can just look at it that's pure there's a polymorphism to every steroid and each one some some have double polymorphism some of them have like different looks uh like for trin acetate for example uh trin should always be a hexagonal crystal formation trin acetate specifically if it's not hexagonal it's a different polymorphism it's not as pure
thing I want to mention is when I purified my tren acetate and that that thing was popular like everyone bought that shit like crazy and that's not even that's not even the best beside the point um mine was almost light canary like the color got completely fixed off one pass of an acetone recrystallization I literally just like my when I first started the raws they were more orange but when I recrystallize it they were light ideal canary almost in color they almost looked white almost not not all the way but that alone tells me that the impurities that are in tren even though the testing you guys have been doing has been proven there's no really meaningful difference like whatever was in it got destroyed like like it just removed completely extracted and what was left with was only trim acetate and obviously you know whatever else just can't be extracted easily with just one pass but one pass was enough to clean it up that was the amazing part and and that that stuff was very good color
It's all this to like shorten it up. Don't be so concerned about these class two salt, all this stuff. Your main concern is you want to find a solvent that can be evaporated easily and
is weakly soluble for the compound at room temperature. It should only be very soluble when you heat it. That's the key thing about recrystallization is if you choose something that can hold your compound too well at room temperature, you're not going to crash it out. So you want something like acetone is pretty good for the shoulder acting stuff. It doesn't dissolve the compound at room temperature, but when you heat it, it will. But it's absolutely horrible.
for holding something because acetone cools down way too much.
Like, recrystallization is done on a large scale at factories. They use large stainless steel containers, reactionary vessels. You should read the patents on some of the synthesis of these steroids when they're producing it in large mass.
They actually recrystallize at large amounts. They use giant vats of these solvents and they make it crash out and then they collect the crystals at the bottom. That's what we're doing, but at a smaller scale.
So when people were saying I was absolutely nuts for suggesting this, I was like, dude, I'm just copying what factories do just on a small scale. And it's even easier to control at a smaller scale. That's why factories, they'll make large amounts of steroids, but sometimes the impurities or the batch might be not as pure because they have to do it in such a large scale.
They can't worry about the small percentage between 90% and 95%. But for us, we can, we can refine it. We can get to 99% pure.
I just want you guys to know that the whole raw impurity situation where China is producing, all this should be done at the manufacturer. We all should know this, right? This is the job of the chemist making the steroid, but it's not happening. They're lazy.
They're trying to push out products. So we have to clean it up. That's how I see it.
If you get a product and you're seeing it's below 90% pure, even for me, that makes me uncomfortable. But you've got to try to do something with it. And the information is already out there.
All these concepts.
If you've heard but I received a kilogram of India test and it tested I have testing on this 91% pure But look at the color and you know, what's funny the smell is horrendous. It smells cheesy nasty I did the gcms on it.
hplc & gcms provided by walter ^^ Janoshik Analytical
Nothing crazy indicated, but I had to figure it out myself. It's hepatonic acid So this stuff experienced hydrolysis. This is the funny thing about jano's testing. He cannot detect You know certain impurities just strut off the bat like he could test 90% pure even the fucking gcms says it's mostly testosterone and anthete with a little bit of degradation compound, which is obvious because you know looks like that but He can't he has to do a special testing to determine that it's hepatonic acid But it is heptonic acid has a cheesy smell when detached from a testosterone anthete Have you ever smelt like really pure testosterone neat?
It smells good because it's an ester It's the ester that gives it that smell when it's detached when most of it is It in the hydrolysis was already like progressed significantly
We don't have to just re-crystallize steroids, there's liquid to liquid extractions too. So for this example, if I take a sample of this and do a base wash with sodium bicarbonate, this would literally neutralize the hepatonic acid and turn it into a salt and that will remove the color and leave behind the testosterone and the ethate.
And obviously there's going to be test base in this. There's going to be free floating degradation compounds because the this obviously went through hydrolysis. So I mean, you know, there's not much I can do there.
I can only re-crystallize it and try to recover while I can. I mean, it's basically one kilogram of test. So with it, with the estimated purity being 91%, the GCM is saying it's about 88% of the testosterone.
I'm probably going to be able to recover majority of the product for free. Well, not for free. I mean, the solvents are pretty expensive, but it's just to give you an example, you could take seemingly trash and turn it into usable product that's really pure.
It gives you a, it's repulsive smell. When I first got this stuff tested, I was under the assumption that they sent me a bag of shit. I'll be honest with you. But when I found out it was 91% pure, I was like, oh shit, well, I can fix this.
I got a lot of fucking money. Someone sent this for free and they just gave it to me. And they said, do whatever I want with it. And you know, the fix for this,
I'll be honest with you. It really pisses me off that you guys have me banned because I can't fucking contribute I can't sit there like you guys are so far. I get I get your your whole Well, we can't have a source being I mean, come on.
I've got a piss that you guys banned me because I like to contribute and I could it's I could help you guys I mean, I'm not like a genius, you know, I'm not the most perfect guy, but I know a lot about this and I'm very passionate about it and I'm obsessed with it And it's my job at this point.
Like I literally make a job doing this now So this is like this like this is the fun part for me. I love I love doing this This is my most funnest thing in the day to do
ai summary of his audio files he sent me @readalot @Photon @mongo5165
dinfar1337
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@readalot @Photon @Walter Hype i cant man, that brown indian test passed gcms.
"no problem sir, we only left a little curry in it"
Revealing some of the limitations of GCMS? I believe @OEP LABS
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Is it just me or he’s saying a lot without giving a step by step process and talking way too much instead of gettin to the point. I’ve worked with alot of testosterones and I didn’t even bother reading the first paragraph almost stopped when he said testosterone melts at room temperature, false. 2 right off the dome come to mind
Test cyp. 104C
Test prop 118C
I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt to prove me wrong
He likes to talk about himself and his grand genius I stopped reading after arriving at: you don't need a test to know the solvents is not there, if it's pure it's pure you can tell by looking at it.
I can't take seriously such a retarded statement.
Like I just can't.
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