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[critpanda]

hi guys!

I joined meso to find some sources for myostatin inhibitors

BUT - I’m sure I’ll spend some time talking to the knowledgeable community and asking questions

Currently running

Testosterone - 750mg
Anavar - 75mg
HCG - 500iu
HGH - 8IU
Exemestane - 12.5mg oed
T3 - 12.5mcg
Accutane -80mg
Minoxidil - 5mg
Finasteride - 1mg
Cialis - 5mg
Lasix - 40mg

I don’t train to bodybuild, just stay in shape and be attractive

Wish me luck and I’m looking forward to meeting you all!

 

[Elektrobot]

myostatin inhibitors

Why

 

[critpanda]

Why

I’m creating an off cycle stack for myself, and want to share an effective not suppressive stack with others

So far I have reached:

Enclomephine (12.5mg - 25mg)
This keeps the brain blind to your serum estrogm, forcing a constant higher release of LH and FSH which stimulate testosterone production.

HCG (250iu – 500iu, 2-3x weekly)
HCG keeps the testes physically full and sensitized to the LH signal from the Enclomiphene.

Proviron(25mg - 50mg)
Proviron is technically an oral steroid, but it is unique because it is rarely suppressive at low or moderate doses (25–50). It binds to SHBG with massive affinity freeing your natural testosterone to enter muscle cells. It also adds a distinct hardness and vascularity to the muscles that natural T alone cannot provide.

Boron (10mg daily)
This is a mineral not a drug, but at specific cycle doses it is one of the only natural substances scientifically proven to significantly impact hormones. Within 7 days of 10mg a day dosing, studies show a measurable spike in Free Testosterone. Kinda cope?

YK-11 (5mg – 10mg daily)
YK-11 is a SARM and myostatin inhibitor. It doesn't use the Testosterone pathway; it simply removes the limits/breaks on how much muscle your body allows you to carry. At high doses it can be suppressive. Don’t take if you only want test for facials gains.

HGH(8iu daily)
HGH at higher doses drives lean mass gains, fat loss, and recovery via IGF-1 and protein syntesis.

Tongkat Ali (200–400 mg daily standardized extract)
Tongkat Ali reliably boosts total testosterone (30–40% or more in studies/meta-analyses especially in stressed or hypogonadal men) by lowering cortisol, reducing SHBG, and freeing bound T. It enhances libido, mood, and training recovery with minimal suppression.

L-Carnitine (L-Carnitine L-Tartrate, 1–2 g daily)
L-Carnitine L-Tartrate upregulates androgen receptor density in muscle amplifying anabolic effects of existing testosterone for better recovery and protein synthesis. It doesn’t raise circulating T but enhances utilization downstream.

 

[Elektrobot]

Did chat gpt make a tic tok channel about PED's or something? wtf is going on here

 

[critpanda]

Did chat gpt make a tic tok channel about PED's or something? wtf is going on here

Your a sad sarcastic man who creates a toxic community for new members get a life or prove me wrong with science

 

[hellerhiwater]

1st, great job posting a new member introduction. you're ahead of the curve there.

its not the best format, nor is it the place to ask for sources, but again--ahead of the curve.

2nd, my condolences for your incredibly bad luck. i know myself and others are purely just lucky, but needing all those supplements and medications to be in shape and attractive is just wild. sincerely, im sorry you have to deal with that and i hope whatever is holding you back from being healthy and attractive without them gets better.

 

[critpanda]

ACE-031 1mg*10vials $85

Damn I just realised isn’t dosing like 1-3mg per kg

2nd, my condolences for your incredibly bad luck. i know myself and others are purely just lucky, but needing all those supplements and medications to be in shape and attractive is just wild

Thankyou for the warm welcome <3 , just the genetic lottery i guess haha. Been roiding since 16 and just never been satisfied

 

[hellerhiwater]

Thankyou for the warm welcome <3 , just the genetic lottery i guess haha. Been roiding since 16 and just never been satisfied

yeah bro i cant even imagine the struggle. paired with not being able to mentally cope with it just sounds like torture.

thanks for making me feel like i won the genetic lottery being born relatively attractive with the ability to cope with stuff like not being satisfied with my appearance. i feel like people often take stuff like mental fortitude or emotional strength for granted--not to mention physical attractiveness and i just appreciate you being here to help put it all in perspective for us.

best of luck on your journey, make sure to get regular bloodwork to make sure you're relatively healthy.

 

[bananafeet]

I’m creating an off cycle stack for myself, and want to share an effective not suppressive stack with others

So far I have reached:

Enclomephine (12.5mg - 25mg)
This keeps the brain blind to your serum estrogm, forcing a constant higher release of LH and FSH which stimulate testosterone production.

HCG (250iu – 500iu, 2-3x weekly)
HCG keeps the testes physically full and sensitized to the LH signal from the Enclomiphene.

Proviron(25mg - 50mg)
Proviron is technically an oral steroid, but it is unique because it is rarely suppressive at low or moderate doses (25–50). It binds to SHBG with massive affinity freeing your natural testosterone to enter muscle cells. It also adds a distinct hardness and vascularity to the muscles that natural T alone cannot provide.

Boron (10mg daily)
This is a mineral not a drug, but at specific cycle doses it is one of the only natural substances scientifically proven to significantly impact hormones. Within 7 days of 10mg a day dosing, studies show a measurable spike in Free Testosterone. Kinda cope?

YK-11 (5mg – 10mg daily)
YK-11 is a SARM and myostatin inhibitor. It doesn't use the Testosterone pathway; it simply removes the limits/breaks on how much muscle your body allows you to carry. At high doses it can be suppressive. Don’t take if you only want test for facials gains.

HGH(8iu daily)
HGH at higher doses drives lean mass gains, fat loss, and recovery via IGF-1 and protein syntesis.

Tongkat Ali (200–400 mg daily standardized extract)
Tongkat Ali reliably boosts total testosterone (30–40% or more in studies/meta-analyses especially in stressed or hypogonadal men) by lowering cortisol, reducing SHBG, and freeing bound T. It enhances libido, mood, and training recovery with minimal suppression.

L-Carnitine (L-Carnitine L-Tartrate, 1–2 g daily)
L-Carnitine L-Tartrate upregulates androgen receptor density in muscle amplifying anabolic effects of existing testosterone for better recovery and protein synthesis. It doesn’t raise circulating T but enhances utilization downstream.

Sure I'll bite.

You need to understand that while technically this is correct. It's about to what extent.

Testosterone and all its downstream metabolites exist because they perform physiological processes. I've got a post covering it. The metabolites of those metabolites are created to perform further physiological functions.

So sky high free testosterone sounds great on paper it introduces more side effects. Then you need another drug to deal with that. For example high available testosterone will give you hair and prostate issues. Taking proviron will dysrupt the E2/androgen balance. With effects like worse lipid profiles and lower SHBG.

So it's not that your plan is bad it's just short sighted.

Stick with testosterone only and let nature do the rest. You're young and don't need all this other shit.

 

[critpanda]

Testosterone and all its downstream metabolites exist because they perform physiological processes. I've got a post covering it. The metabolites of those metabolites are created to perform further physiological functions.

I think I get what you mean, increased androgen signalling increases downstream metabolites like DHT or oestrogen making me basically play whackamole with side effects.

I’ll check out your post!

But to play devils advocate- I have finasteride and Exemestane in my closet !

I made a post asking about this concept - so hopefully I should be able to make an informed decision.

But wouldn’t this be similar to the risk of someone taking just test? Surely when all the drugs are in my body at their serum doses I will aromatise to a certain extent and stay there which I can manage with AI?
Would these drugs create strange peaks and troughs or something?

 

[bananafeet]

I think I get what you mean, increased androgen signalling increases downstream metabolites like DHT or oestrogen making me basically play whackamole with side effects.

I’ll check out your post!

But to play devils advocate- I have finasteride and Exemestane in my closet !

I made a post asking about this concept - so hopefully I should be able to make an informed decision.

But wouldn’t this be similar to the risk of someone taking just test? Surely when all the drugs are in my body at their serum doses I will aromatise to a certain extent and stay there which I can manage with AI?
Would these drugs create strange peaks and troughs or something?

Thread 'Testosterone and it's metabolites'

Thread 'Testosterone and it's metabolites'

Saturday at 12:22 AM

Thought I'd start this thread to cover testosterone and ALL it's downstream metabolites and their actions.

No AI slop. I hate that shit. All this is from textbooks.

Testosterone is derived from cholesterol by various reducing processes by the Leydig cells in the testies (and ovaries):

Source: [1]

This process is regulated by the HPTA:

Source: [2]

After entering circulation it is turned into paracrine and exocrine metabolites and hormones, although a large amount of estrodial and DHT are converted locally in the testies:

Intratesticular testosterone is...

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I'm afraid those drugs also can have side effects. Look after your long term reproductive health and take testosterone and HCG.

Look at the image of the broad effects of dht and think about what blocking it will do.. same with estrogen.

Keep the AI to a minimum to control blood pressure. If you plan on doing it long term take some statins.

Testosterone is the safest ped because of estrodial.

I wish I'd just have read an endocrinology book instead of watching shitfluencers. In that post I have some good text books as sources. You can get them online for free if you search.

 

[appeal_clone]

1st, great job posting a new member introduction. you're ahead of the curve there.

its not the best format, nor is it the place to ask for sources, but again--ahead of the curve.

2nd, my condolences for your incredibly bad luck. i know myself and others are purely just lucky, but needing all those supplements and medications to be in shape and attractive is just wild. sincerely, im sorry you have to deal with that and i hope whatever is holding you back from being healthy and attractive without them gets better.

I highly doubt he needs any of this, more likely he just wants it so he can stay attractive and in shape easier

 

[IndividualMan]

Just pin the test, bro. you are spending 20x the money just to get the same look, more hairloss, and higher heart attack, stroke and clotting risk.
plus liver and GI stress, with a healthy risk to your eyesight.
also, YK is suppressive. the Myostatin inhibition happens at around 500-750mg daily iirc, before that it just hits the androgen receptor.

2g L-carn is also massive cope, same as tongkat ali and boron.

you are wasting your money. If you dont want suppression, stay natural.
If you want results like you are on gear, take actual AAS.
If you want to cope cope cope all day long stick with this oddball approach you have got going on at the moment.
Kind of seems like post mental breakdown Connor murphy substance use recs.