Same igf-1 levels from peptides as from 6IU GH?!

[Proud Pangolin]

Hey guys so i stumbeled over this redddit post of a guy who had.the igf-1 levels on peptdes equivalent to 6IU of GH (+SERM which is known to lower igf-1) and generally that igf-1 level is INSANLY high for peptides.

So..... my question is.... WTF??

Had somebody similar experiences? An explanation?

Some may remember that i once posted tha im a hyperreaponder to peptides (3x daily CJC no dac + GHRP-2)
as my physique got INSANE (basically im almost looking as on 600mg test +600mg DHB) so know im asking myself if my body is simply a "hyper-igf1-releaser"?

A counterargument is that most of you dont report such anabolic effects of igf-1 especially considering that im not in anything else right now.

 

[eery]

Thats a good response to the peptide protocol but what is the timeframe of these experiments and the blood tests, and what was his calorie balance during both experiments?

typeIIx probably has more input on this but i dont think he interacts much in the forums nowadays.

"looking like 600mg+600mg dhb"

How are we suppose to comprehend anything from this vague statement? what are these anabolics effects you talk about? it sounds to me like a temporary increase in fullness like most people see from HGH and HGH related peptides.

So you looked fuller and a bit drier?

 

[BeardedGuy]

I believe the current understanding would be: Depending on age, sure. If your glands are up to good response from peptides, then you probably get good response. How old is this cat? I bet he’s under 40. Older gents probably need the rHGH or igf direct.

 

[pewex]

IGF levels are a pretty unreliable metric because they fluctuate significantly based on many factors like time of day,diet, stress levels, physical activity, sleep quality, etc...

A single measurement doesn't necessarily reflect the true effect of HGH or peptides, so comparing one off blood tests can easily lead to misleading conclusions.

 

[pewex]

Also people put too much focus on IGF-1 blood levels. A higher number in your blood doesn’t necessarily mean better results it could just mean your muscles aren't using it effectively. What really matters is IGF-1 inside the muscle, but that’s something we can't measure without a biopsy, which nobody is doing.

Just my 2c: stop worrying so much about IGF levels and focus on actual results instead.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Also people put too much focus on IGF-1 blood levels. A higher number in your blood doesn’t necessarily mean better results it could just mean your muscles aren't using it effectively. What really matters is IGF-1 inside the muscle, but that’s something we can't measure without a biopsy, which nobody is doing.

Just my 2c: stop worrying so much about IGF levels and focus on actual results instead.

As to results, high IGF1 should be night & day

I understand the "muscle IGF1 levels" argument but nobody is asking about intramuscular testosterone; don't even know where the "muscle IGF1 levels" rumor started

Maybe someone with a poor IGF1 response wanted to sound smart so made it up (probably how a lot of broscience begins)

 

[AlexDavis43]

IGF levels are a pretty unreliable metric because they fluctuate significantly based on many factors like time of day,diet, stress levels, physical activity, sleep quality, etc...

A single measurement doesn't necessarily reflect the true effect of HGH or peptides, so comparing one off blood tests can easily lead to misleading conclusions.

I view it like this: if your IGF1 response to GH is good, it's a good indicator that your gear isn't bunk... this might be one of the best indicators we have available of good GH

But there are a lot of legit reasons why you could have good gear but a poor IGF1 response, so it only works in one direction

 

[Proud Pangolin]

Thats a good response to the peptide protocol but what is the timeframe of these experiments and the blood tests, and what was his calorie balance during both experiments?

typeIIx probably has more input on this but i dont think he interacts much in the forums nowadays.

"looking like 600mg+600mg dhb"

How are we suppose to comprehend anything from this vague statement? what are these anabolics effects you talk about? it sounds to me like a temporary increase in fullness like most people see from HGH and HGH related peptides.

So you looked fuller and a bit drier?

I cant comprehend it myself. I talked about this in another question extensively.

For some reason im reacting extremly well on the peptides. Not eveny coach (and he some decades of exoeriences with ASS) nows what the fuck is going on.

Im reacting so well on peptides that i didnt hop on cycle again. The plan was to start my next cycle like 3 months ago. I have all that stuff laying around, prepared everything. However as im making sich good progress with the peptides i didnt start.

(About the 600mg test-600mg DHB: i should mention that everything else back then really wasnt on point, so take this with a grain of salt. Extrem stress, fucked up sleep etc.
But still: that wasnt a light cycle. DHB is very potent, didnt earn for nothing the name "babytren".)


I have a theory for why im such a hyperresponder to igf-1 which i will only sum up becaus noone is going to read that paragraph:

-What is relevant for the anabolic effect is NOT the endocrine igf-1 (which is.messured in the blood)

-Relevant is the autocrine igf-1 meaning inside tissue which also explains why even though at about ~8IU GH there isnt seen a increase in endocrine igf-1, bodybuilders report that higher doses of GH still lead to significant more anabolism..

=> My theory is, that due to the pulsative manner, peptides raise primarly autocrine igf-1 as peptides dont show a comparable raise of endocrine igf-1 UNTIL i found this guy.

Dont get me wrong i still think that peptides raise autocrine igf-1 better as the literature clearly shows this with pulsative GH. But it also made me question if im also generally a very good igf-1 responder. Meaning my body produces very much endocrine/autocrine igf-1 and im rsponding to that very well.

Going to do some bloodwork in the comming weeks to see where my endocrine igf-1 is and as im going to be on vacation (break from peptides) after that im also going to messure my natural igf-1

 

[songsofpyramids]

I’ve heard claims like this for years but never seen any proof and I’d be very skeptical that you’re having that profound a change in your body from peptides alone without proof from dexa, pictures, or something. I am extremely skeptical of a claim that you’re not jumping on aas because of peptides performing so well. That’s… honestly kinda silly to me. People have been doing these peptide drugs for 20 years and I’ve not seen any magic transformations on them like you describe. Nothing remotely on par with aas. Sorry to be so skeptical.

 

[Proud Pangolin]

I’ve heard claims like this for years but never seen any proof and I’d be very skeptical that you’re having that profound a change in your body from peptides alone without proof from dexa, pictures, or something. I am extremely skeptical of a claim that you’re not jumping on aas because of peptides performing so well. That’s… honestly kinda silly to me. People have been doing these peptide drugs for 20 years and I’ve not seen any magic transformations on them like you describe. Nothing remotely on par with aas. Sorry to be so skeptical.

Understandable.
However as i said take it with agrain of salt, its not like Peptides vs ASS in the same circumstances at all.
Last year:
-my sleep was shit (didmt slept enough and very bad)

- had extrem stress (permanent gights with my ex, preexams,ton of stimulants etc. dont want to know where my cortisol was)

-diet was off (didnt eat enough, had no hunger therefore ate much garbage to get at least some calories in)

-training was also off because i was always fighting via text even during the gym

meaning:
ASS+shit circumstances vs Peptides +good circumstances

So basically im not on cycle because with good circumstances and peptides i look tge same as with ASS.

Still it seems lije im a hyperreesonder to peptides because I had the good circumstances for the last 8 months and i made a 2months break until like 6 weeks ago to actually see if its the peptides and the physique change is absolutely real.

Makes me wonder what would happen if i now add 600mg test and 600mg DHB