Russia begins invasion of Ukraine

[Hughinn]

Ukraine has a GDP of $100 billion to $200 billion, depending on if it's a good year or bad year. Compared to the US $21 trillion, that's not even 1% of the US economy on a good year. We've sent them $113 billion is aid, so even if we made them the 51st state and taxed them we'd never get our money back in 100 years..

The country isn't getting rich by helping Ukraine. Their top 3 exports are Seed Oils ($5.32B), Corn ($4.89B), and Wheat ($4.61B).

No dumbass, the country is not getting rich helping Ukraine, it's going broke you idiot.

Joe Biden and his handlers are getting richer.
Not American people

It's about containing Russian expansion not American investments and profits.

Lmfao

According to neutral General Bakshi of India

He's an idiot

https://archive.is/6VcpG

they've got about 700,000 soldiers and 450,000 is the fighting element. And because of NATO aid this is a symmetrical war not an asymmetrical one, with the advantage going to the defender:

View: https://youtu.be/JqHuvl9J-v4?t=602
In September Ukrainian forces outnumbered Russian forces by 2-3x and was pushing back the lines and gaining ground, which is why Russia mobilized. Now you're trying to say Russia didn't have to.

And I've asked you: okay, you say they're running out of soldiers give me a date when you say there will be the US 101st Airborne fighting on the front lines in Ukraine. Because otherwise you'll be saying the same thing next year. You've refused to do so, saying something like Biden banned that date from being aired in the news.

We killed 1.1 million enemy soldiers in Vietnam, and North Vietnam only had a population of 17 million (1/3rd of Ukraine's), they still beat us. They never ran out.

I've already told you, this will be over when Russia ends the Washington proxy regime in Kiev.

They have no other choice. Washington will not let them make peace.

So Russia is now going to have to destroy them.

And you're more of a fool than before if you think the US can stop them.

You don't even understand what audience all this is for anyway. You just parrot the MSNBC narrative on que

 

[Hughinn]

Ukraine launched indiscriminate attacks on Donbas civilians for years before Russia intervened in the civil war.

Russia tried for 8 years to broker a peace that protected Donbas, while Western leaders admit that they pretended to go along just to buy time to prep Ukraine for war.


View: https://twitter.com/leon_elk/status/1635593235954532353?t=8hSXteceo6M5kEWD5WmZwg&s=19

 

[hometeam]

He's an idiot

https://archive.is/6VcpG

Oh yes we know there's a shortage of "skilled" troops, that's true on both sides, but not troops. The initial invasion wiped out many skilled troops, and the Russians have had so many Generals killed we lost count. The Ukrainians that were conscripted generally had no training, so NATO has been training them.

The Canadians, Finns and British are training them in the UK:

King Charles watches Ukrainian troops training in Wiltshire

King Charles praises the 'amazing' recruits on an intensive training course in the UK

www.bbc.com

The US has been training them in Germany:

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/16/1149372572/expanded-us-training-for-ukraine-forces-begins-in-germany

The Spanish have been training them in Spain:

Spain to train 2,400 Ukrainian soldiers annually, says defence minister - Euractiv

Spain has the capacity to train 2,400 Ukrainian soldiers a year in the framework of the recently approved EU mission, Spanish Defence Minister Margarita Robles said on Tuesday. “We are making an offer of a total of 400 soldiers (trained)...

www.euractiv.com

There's a lot of training going on in Poland, which is just 8 hours from Kiev:

Poland ready to train two battalions of Ukrainian Armed Forces every month

Poland has announced its intention to train two battalions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces every month. — Ukrinform.

www.ukrinform.net

And the Ukrainians have been training them in Kiev. But some go into the battle untrained, where they're probably paired with an experienced soldier to help keep them alive.

So, I'm not sure if you posted that link trying to mislead us again, or if you just didn't understand what the link was saying again. They've mobilized 500,000+ untrained people, and have had to quickly train them, so of course there's been a shortage of skill, but not troops.

And Bakshi talks about that here, how Russia had pretty much destroyed Ukraine's original military by mid-summer and they had to rebuild it with mobilization and NATO's help:

View: https://youtu.be/DoOZF5hJmpo?t=144

You don't even understand what audience all this is for anyway. You just parrot the MSNBC narrative on que

General Bakshi is not someone you will see on MSNBC

 

[hometeam]

Ukraine launched indiscriminate attacks on Donbas civilians for years before Russia intervened in the civil war.

Russia tried for 8 years to broker a peace that protected Donbas, while Western leaders admit that they pretended to go along just to buy time to prep Ukraine for war.


View: https://twitter.com/leon_elk/status/1635593235954532353?t=8hSXteceo6M5kEWD5WmZwg&s=19

Well this is what Russia did to Mariupol:

This is what Russia did to Bakhmut:

Severodonetsk:

That's what high intensity urban war looks like. When Russia armed those militias in the Donbas trying to start a rebellion and revolution, what did you think would happen?

 

[Hughinn]

Oh yes we know there's a shortage of "skilled" troops, that's true on both sides, but not troops. The initial invasion wiped out many skilled troops, and the Russians have had so many Generals killed we lost count. The Ukrainians that were conscripted generally had no training, so NATO has been training them.

The Canadians, Finns and British are training them in the UK:

King Charles watches Ukrainian troops training in Wiltshire

King Charles praises the 'amazing' recruits on an intensive training course in the UK

www.bbc.com

The US has been training them in Germany:

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/16/1149372572/expanded-us-training-for-ukraine-forces-begins-in-germany

The Spanish have been training them in Spain:

Spain to train 2,400 Ukrainian soldiers annually, says defence minister - Euractiv

Spain has the capacity to train 2,400 Ukrainian soldiers a year in the framework of the recently approved EU mission, Spanish Defence Minister Margarita Robles said on Tuesday. “We are making an offer of a total of 400 soldiers (trained)...

www.euractiv.com

There's a lot of training going on in Poland, which is just 8 hours from Kiev:

Poland ready to train two battalions of Ukrainian Armed Forces every month

Poland has announced its intention to train two battalions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces every month. — Ukrinform.

www.ukrinform.net

And the Ukrainians have been training them in Kiev. But some go into the battle untrained, where they're probably paired with an experienced soldier to help keep them alive.

So, I'm not sure if you posted that link trying to mislead us again, or if you just didn't understand what the link was saying again. They've mobilized 500,000+ untrained people, and have had to quickly train them, so of course there's been a shortage of skill, but not troops.

And Bakshi talks about that here, how Russia had pretty much destroyed Ukraine's original military by mid-summer and they had to rebuild it with mobilization and NATO's help:

View: https://youtu.be/DoOZF5hJmpo?t=144


General Bakshi is not someone you will see on MSNBC

Lmfao

In other words, Ukraine is running out of soldiers.

 

[hometeam]

Lmfao

In other words, Ukraine is running out of soldiers.

Trained soldiers, yes. Not soldiers. And Russia's training of their conscripts went horribly wrong too, though most already had some training many years ago. And most Wagner soldiers have no real training.

It's kind of sad that right wing extremists would resort these kind of scare tactics... to say they're running out of troops and our troops are next. There's absolutely no evidence that's the case and plenty to the contrary. How are they sending 10s of thousands of troops to the UK, Spain, Germany and Poland for training if they're running out?

 

[Hughinn]

Well this is what Russia did to Mariupol:

This is what Russia did to Bakhmut:

Severodonetsk:

That's what high intensity urban war looks like. When Russia armed those militias in the Donbas trying to start a rebellion and revolution, what did you think would happen?

In other words, ukranian military put down an armed rebellion of Donbass citizens seeking independence from the regime in Kiev installed by Washington.

And your lying like a bitch again.

"Pro Russian separatists" separated from Ukraine in March 2014 and Ukraine immediately started shelling the Donbass with artillery.

Russia didn't send any "aid" until August.

The rebellion was already well underway and instigated by a neo Nazi regime in Kiev who was anti Russian

 

[Hughinn]

Trained soldiers, yes. Not soldiers. And Russia's training of their conscripts went horribly wrong too, though most already had some training many years ago. And most Wagner soldiers have no real training.

It's kind of sad that right wing extremists would resort these kind of scare tactics... to say they're running out of troops and our troops are next. There's absolutely no evidence that's the case and plenty to the contrary. How are they sending 10s of thousands of troops to the UK, Spain, Germany and Poland for training if they're running out?

Lmfao lolol

You stupid bitch.

"Ukraine doesn't have a manpower problem" the idiot said just the other day


Now the idiot says, it's "just a skilled manpower problem, but not really a problem"

Then the idiot admits "most of Ukraine's original forces were destroyed"

But they don't have a manpower problem. Lol

And Ukraine is "killing off Russian orcs five to one" said the idiot just a few days ago.

But Ukrainian forces were originally 460k to 700k.

Russian about 200k

Russia now has 700k to 1million soldiers and is now sending better trained and equipped than before.

Ukraine is less than half what it was with most of the best soldiers dead or disabled.


The numbers just don't add up to be losing 5 to 1

Your stupid bullshit is getting more and more ridiculous as your propoganda gets more and more desperate

Do you even hear yourself? How stupid you sound?

 

[hometeam]

Russia didn't send any "aid" until August.

In July the rebels shot down the airliner with a Russian air defense missile, and that's pretty advanced "aid." So they were sending arms well before that.

 

[Hughinn]

In July the rebels shot down the airliner with a Russian air defense missile, and that's pretty advanced "aid." So they were sending arms well before that.

Oh my fukkin god you moron!

We've been over that shit airliner front to back...have you got shit for brains?

That airliner was shot down in am active warzone by a bunch of idiot Russian trainees on a field trip that had nothing to do with the conflict in Donbass.

The idiots were training in what was technically an active war zone and made a terrible mistake.

We discussed this in depth you fukkin idiot


We've discussed it in depth but you still parrot the bullshit.

It's getting ridiculous

 

[hometeam]

And Ukraine is "killing off Russian orcs five to one" said the idiot just a few days ago.

I never said that. I did say when assaulting a defended area you need a 3 to 1 troop advantage and (without heavy bombers or a way to protect your tanks) will take more casualties than the defenders. And I said assaulting a city like Bakhmut block by block, building by building, is hard. American forces actually failed in Fallujah the first time and had to come back a second time 4 months later - these Ukrainians are better equipped than the Fallujans too.

And this war has mostly been Russian assaults on dug in Ukrainians, like this:

View: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=582273603237919

But Ukrainian forces were originally 460k to 700k.

Russian about 200k

Russia now has 700k to 1million soldiers and is now sending better trained and equipped than before.

Nobody knows the exact numbers. We had an idea last fall but neither Russia or Ukraine is giving out their numbers anymore. But we do know they are not running out.

I do think it's interesting that Ukraine is claiming Russia lost 10,000 troops in the last 2 weeks and about 1,000 in one day:

Russia loses 10,000 troops in two weeks: Ukraine

Ukraine's armed forces have claimed that 109,720 Russian troops have been killed since the start of the war.

www.newsweek.com

That's probably inflated but Russia has started their offensive and it's not going well.

 

[hometeam]

We've discussed it in depth but you still parrot the bullshit.

How am I not going to parrot it when investigators from The Netherlands, Belgium, Ukraine, Australia, and Malaysia looked at five billion internet pages, interviewed 200 witnesses, collected half a million photos and videos, and analysed 150,000 intercepted phone calls and came to the conclusion that it was downed by a Buk surface-to-air missile launched from pro-Russian separatist-controlled territory in Ukraine? The JIT found that the Buk originated from the 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade of the Russian Federation and had been transported from Russia on the day of the crash, fired from a field in a rebel-controlled area and the launch system returned to Russia afterwards.

The JIT said they had identified 100 people, witnesses as well as suspects, who were involved in the movement of the Buk launcher, though they had not yet identified a clear chain of command to assess culpability, which was a matter for ongoing investigation.

But the fact that they were shooting down an airliner in July from territory they controlled shows they had aid well before August.

 

[Hughinn]

I never said that. I did say when assaulting a defended area you need a 3 to 1 troop advantage and (without heavy bombers or a way to protect your tanks) will take more casualties than the defenders. And I said assaulting a city like Bakhmut block by block, building by building, is hard. American forces actually failed in Fallujah the first time and had to come back a second time 4 months later - these Ukrainians are better equipped than the Fallujans too.

And this war has mostly been Russian assaults on dug in Ukrainians, like this:

View: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=582273603237919



Nobody knows the exact numbers. We had an idea last fall but neither Russia or Ukraine is giving out their numbers anymore. But we do know they are not running out.

I do think it's interesting that Ukraine is claiming Russia lost 10,000 troops in the last 2 weeks and about 1,000 in one day:

Russia loses 10,000 troops in two weeks: Ukraine

Ukraine's armed forces have claimed that 109,720 Russian troops have been killed since the start of the war.

www.newsweek.com

That's probably inflated but Russia has started their offensive and it's not going well.

In other words, the reported casualty numbers coming out of Kiev are absolutely bullshit.

And that's obvious to even the dumbest of observers. (Your case in point)

And I gotta say, you're sounding stupid again about this "defender role" casualty bullshit you've been saying lately.

I think that had some truth in it back when you had to attack stone castles with swords and spears or whatever, but today is totally different.

I'm sure Russia was more than happy to pound bakmut into rubble from miles away with heavy Russian artillery against concentrations of ukranian troops.

Then send in the Wagner dogs to clean up the leftovers.

Blow the Washington propoganda out your ass, and that's likely exactly what happened.

And I'll tell you something else, common sense observation here, I'd be more inclined to say Ukraine casualties are 2 to 1 in these conflicts with Ukraine losing the most people most of the time.

 

[Hughinn]

How am I not going to parrot it when investigators from The Netherlands, Belgium, Ukraine, Australia, and Malaysia looked at five billion internet pages, interviewed 200 witnesses, collected half a million photos and videos, and analysed 150,000 intercepted phone calls and came to the conclusion that it was downed by a Buk surface-to-air missile launched from pro-Russian separatist-controlled territory in Ukraine? The JIT found that the Buk originated from the 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade of the Russian Federation and had been transported from Russia on the day of the crash, fired from a field in a rebel-controlled area and the launch system returned to Russia afterwards.

The JIT said they had identified 100 people, witnesses as well as suspects, who were involved in the movement of the Buk launcher, though they had not yet identified a clear chain of command to assess culpability, which was a matter for ongoing investigation.

But the fact that they were shooting down an airliner in July from territory they controlled shows they had aid well before August.

My god man have you got shit for brains?

We've been over this. In great depth.

That plane was shot down by a Russian training convoy in an active war zone.

We both read the report.

It didn't say anything about the Donbass rebellion or anything else except a Russian training exercise through an active war zone with a terrible mistake made.

We discussed this together. It was not the rebels. It was Russian trainees in rebel controlled territory.

All it proves is that trainees can do stupid shit and tragic things can result

 

[hometeam]

And I'll tell you something else, common sense observation here, I'd be more inclined to say Ukraine casualties are 2 to 1 in these conflicts with Ukraine losing the most people most of the time.

Well we have an unbiased General who says otherwise:

View: https://youtu.be/JqHuvl9J-v4?t=602

"they (the Russians) were aparrently hoping that the technological edge they had, especially with artillery, and to some extent in airpower, would be able to neutralize the Ukrainian numerical superiority. But that has not proved to be so. Here is a situation of symmetry." -General Bakshi

And he knows the Russians, has trained with them, knows their tactics. He has a very good grip of what's going on. It's a very thought out, educated, unbiased rational summation... and all you want to do is call him an idiot.

Why? Because scare tactics suits your agenda. There is absolutely no one on Earth outside of one or two very biased extremists who thinks the Ukrainians are running out of manpower and US troops will need to go in and reinforce.

And there's no evidence to show that. None. Zero. It's just a wacky conspiracy theory. In fact, if that was the case Russia wouldn't have had to mobilize.

 

[hometeam]

And I gotta say, you're sounding stupid again about this "defender role" casualty bullshit you've been saying lately.

I think that had some truth in it back when you had to attack stone castles with swords and spears or whatever, but today is totally different.

Here is General Schwarzkopf's famous press conference about the Gulf War military tactics:

View: https://youtu.be/wKi3NwLFkX4?t=171

He says:
"I think any student of military strategy would tell you that in order to attack a position you should have a ratio of approximately 3 to 1 in favor of the attacker, and in order to attack a position that is heavily dug in and barricaded you should have a ratio of 5 to 1"
Then he goes on to show how they used heavy bombers dropping millions of tons of bombs, then went in with tanks and apache helicopters, and used a flanking manuever to cut off their supply routes and overcome that principle - thus we had a situation of asymmetry. Russia isn't doing anything like that to make it asymmetrical except for artillery, and in Bakhmut they've been trying for months to cut off the supply road. If they use tanks they get blown up.

And the Russians are firing 1/3rd the artillery they used to at their peak, the Ukrainians have plenty of artillery too with billions and billions of aid, and in WWI they fired a whole lot more artillery and moved only inches. Tanks are what broke that stalemate, but Ukraine has the javelin. This is a WWI-style fight.

And here's General Bakshi on this:

View: https://youtu.be/DoOZF5hJmpo?t=334

"The standard numerical superiority required for an attack, minimum is one is to three. For every one defender you have to have three attackers. If you are going to fight in the mountains or the built up area, then I'm afraid you need five is to one and more superiority if you want to prevail. That is a standard maxim of warfare"

 

[Hughinn]

Well we have an unbiased General who says otherwise:

View: https://youtu.be/JqHuvl9J-v4?t=602

"they (the Russians) were aparrently hoping that the technological edge they had, especially with artillery, and to some extent in airpower, would be able to neutralize the Ukrainian numerical superiority. But that has not proved to be so. Here is a situation of symmetry." -General Bakshi

And he knows the Russians, has trained with them, knows their tactics. He has a very good grip of what's going on. It's a very thought out, educated, unbiased rational summation... and all you want to do is call him an idiot.

Why? Because scare tactics suits your agenda. There is absolutely no one on Earth outside of one or two very biased extremists who thinks the Ukrainians are running out of manpower and US troops will need to go in and reinforce.

And there's no evidence to show that. None. Zero. It's just a wacky conspiracy theory. In fact, if that was the case Russia wouldn't have had to mobilize.

That's not an unbiased general.

It's a gimmick.

His bullshit is just like yours, it just doesn't add up.

 

[Hughinn]

Here is General Schwarzkopf's famous press conference about the Gulf War military tactics:

View: https://youtu.be/wKi3NwLFkX4?t=171

He says:
"I think any student of military strategy would tell you that in order to attack a position you should have a ratio of approximately 3 to 1 in favor of the attacker, and in order to attack a position that is heavily dug in and barricaded you should have a ratio of 5 to 1"
Then he goes on to show how they used heavy bombers dropping millions of tons of bombs, then went in with tanks and apache helicopters, and used a flanking manuever to cut off their supply routes and overcome that principle - thus we had a situation of asymmetry. Russia isn't doing anything like that to make it asymmetrical except for artillery, and in Bakhmut they've been trying for months to cut off the supply road. If they use tanks they get blown up.

And the Russians are firing 1/3rd the artillery they used to at their peak, the Ukrainians have plenty of artillery too with billions and billions of aid, and in WWI they fired a whole lot more artillery and moved only inches.

And here's General Bakshi on this:

View: https://youtu.be/DoOZF5hJmpo?t=334

"The standard numerical superiority required for an attack, minimum is one is to three. For every one defender you have to have three attackers. If you are going to fight in the mountains or the built up area, then I'm afraid you need five is to one and more superiority if you want to prevail. That is a standard maxim of warfare"

Ok look,

Our military hasn't faced an adversary equipped as well as they were since the 1940s.

And they haven't won a war since. Our generals are more concerned with lucrative careers as lobbyists and Washington DC consultants than anything else pertaining to war. Because war is the business Washington has invested in. But it's not helping the American people.

These are the same people that told you Afghanistan was going great and Iraq was a success for democracy.

You're really using these people as credible analysts to a situation where everyone is lying? That's stupid.

Common sense is the real measure here.

Russia could easily turn Ukraine into a smooth glass parking lot anytime they want. Obviously they don't want to.

Stop parroting bullshit propoganda and think.

This is a one time opportunity here. Use your fukkin head.

NATO/Washington is the same..for now.

But Washington has shit on it's own allies and people.
Now, Russia has certainly bit off a chunk here in Ukraine. They drew a line, that Washington crossed with arrogance.

Washington will not win this proxy war. They haven't won one ...ever really. Just made a few rich people richer while thousands have died.

Who is the audience here if your Russia?

Who is the audience if your Washington?

No propoganda, no bullshit. Think. No copy and paste garbage.

 

[hometeam]

That's not an unbiased general.

It's a gimmick.

His bullshit is just like yours, it just doesn't add up.

Biased how? It only adds up for you if it contributes to your agenda of a Biden outrage or Biden failure.

Ok look,

Our military hasn't faced an adversary equipped as well as they were since the 1940s.

At least now you know what it takes for Russia to be beating Ukraine in the way you claim they are, like the US in the Gulf War or US vs ISIS, Haiti, Grenada, Lebanon... Russia doesn't have it. Maybe if they could take out Ukraine's air defenses, but it sounds like their air force is in disrepair and they don't have the combined arms training. Maybe if they had a counter to the javelin, but their logistics is bad.

These are the same people that told you Afghanistan was going great

Well you have to stop looking at this from a Russian annexation zero-sum point of view. The US was attacked on 9-11 and we went into Afghanistan to get al-Qaeda. We stayed there for 20 years keeping the Taliban from controlling it, how much longer would you want us to stay there? Although the Taliban coming back after we left was somewhat of a failure, we would've had to invade Pakistan to destroy them. The objective was never to make them the 51st state.

Iraq was a success for democracy.

It's better than a Sunni dictator ruling over a 60% Shi'ite country and Kurds with an iron fist.

And they haven't won a war since.

They have. Look at the Gulf War for example... or Pamana or Kosovo. It's just that you're only paying attention to our failures and I wonder what happened to you to make you this negative and pessimistic. It can't be just about border walls and guns.

But you make a good point that even with this kind of asymmetrical superiority, US forces killing 1.1 million enemy soldiers in Vietnam when N Vietnam had a population of 17 million, we still lost. That was because we couldn't break their will to fight. Russia is nowhere near breaking Ukraine's will. We didn't invade an angry country this time, Russia did.

Stop parroting bullshit propoganda and think.

I found it all on my own, not by going to some extremist source like you do.

Now, Russia has certainly bit off a chunk here in Ukraine. They drew a line, that Washington crossed with arrogance.

And we're making them pay for it by degrading their military, economy and influence. It's a humiliation for them they might not be able to recover from. We've stopped their expansion for now and safeguarded the security of our allies in Europe.

We've told them many times for many years, they don't get to have spheres of influence or red lines, only great powers do. They thought they were stronger than they are. Now they are paying the price.

I think Washington is OK with Russia holding on to the Donbas and Crimea but Ukraine isn't and it will probably take a few years of fighting before they've had enough of it.

 

[Hughinn]

Biased how? It only adds up for you if it contributes to your agenda of a Biden outrage or Biden failure.


At least now you know what it takes for Russia to be beating Ukraine in the way you claim they are, like the US in the Gulf War or US vs ISIS, Haiti, Grenada, Lebanon... Russia doesn't have it. Maybe if they could take out Ukraine's air defenses, but it sounds like their air force is in disrepair and they don't have the combined arms training. Maybe if they had a counter to the javelin, but their logistics is bad.


Well you have to stop looking at this from a Russian annexation zero-sum point of view. The US was attacked on 9-11 and we went into Afghanistan to get al-Qaeda. We stayed there for 20 years keeping the Taliban from controlling it, how much longer would you want us to stay there? Although the Taliban coming back after we left was somewhat of a failure, we would've had to invade Pakistan to destroy them. The objective was never to make them the 51st state.


It's better than a Sunni dictator ruling over a 60% Shi'ite country and Kurds with an iron fist.


They have. Look at the Gulf War for example... or Pamana or Kosovo. It's just that you're only paying attention to our failures and I wonder what happened to you to make you this negative and pessimistic. It can't be just about border walls and guns.

But you make a good point that even with this kind of asymmetrical superiority, US forces killing 1.1 million enemy soldiers in Vietnam when N Vietnam had a population of 17 million, we still lost. That was because we couldn't break their will to fight. Russia is nowhere near breaking Ukraine's will. We didn't invade an angry country this time, Russia did.


I found it all on my own, not by going to some extremist source like you do.


And we're making them pay for it by degrading their military, economy and influence. It's a humiliation for them they might not be able to recover from. We've stopped their expansion for now and safeguarded the security of our allies in Europe.

We've told them many times for many years, they don't get to have spheres of influence or red lines, only great powers do. They thought they were stronger than they are. Now they are paying the price.

I think Washington is OK with Russia holding on to the Donbas and Crimea but Ukraine isn't and it will probably take a few years of fighting before they've had enough of it.

Well, you fucked that up royally.

So Russia doesn't get to have spheres of influence or draw red lines, but Washington does...

We, them etc...

You still don't have a fuckin clue of whose playing to what ends for whom.

You're just so immersed in your own bullshit and hometeam propoganda.

You're going down with the bastards. And you're just too stupid to know any better.

Well, fuck you anyways. I don't care. You're stupid, and they're arrogant and greedy.