Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co., Ltd (International, US, EU, Canada and Australia domestic

[gobig2]

I'll repeat what I received by DM (asked for permission to share). I don't talk to this dude anymore but that doesn't mean he wasn't spot on.

Nov 27, 2024

"I hate QSC. It goes against everything that MESO once stood for. The customer service is apparently zero. They are “the most tested source” but all of those tests are meaningless. The OPSEC is best described as reckless abandon. They’re too big and will get busted - I’m surprised they’ve lasted this long. Their thread is filled with herd-speak and fanbois, many of the members ONLY post within that thread. The entire operation is dangerous. The fact that gear sold in multi-use sealed vials contains floaters so often that customers just settle for refiltering the gear is insane.

My goal is in-line with yours. We are not drug addicts. We do this as part of a healthy active and productive lifestyle. Cleaning it up may one day erase the druggy stigma leading to acceptance and decriminalization."

BigBen?

 

[gobig2]

QSC has a ton of haters. Lots of agenda's out there. We must thank QSC for making other sources bring down prices. Specially in the hgh market. Huge price drops

 

[gobig2]

I get laughed at when I say I pay 18 for a vial of 100mg primo. It was true and def helped bring down prices with these other money sucking sources

 

[readalot]

BigBen?

I'll keep the identity privileged as is proper. I only asked for permission to share. Not attribution.

 

[hexagonal]

I know, right? Ain’t no protein in that bowl.

That police bro on the left hand side is holding those chop sticks like a 3ml loaded barrel ready to penetrate.

I hear it's the prison diet they have for AAS dealers in China, gotta hit them where it hurts. Zero protein.

 

[RaddishPork]

If we are lucky, just basic raws but if I were to guess that would be down the road.

Honestly I'm not too upset about all this happening. Forced me to branch out and find some other good sources. Also pushed me to start doing research and get the ball rolling on homebrewing.

QSC was like Disneyland for me when I was broke and new to gear. Went from driving 45 minutes to buy $40 vials from a friend IRL to treating this shit like Amazon. Buying gear I had no intention of using.

After being around the lifestyle for a bit longer I can understand the old heads hate for QSC. Don't get me wrong, I fucking love an $8 vial of test, but this spiraled out of control quickly and all the newbies coming in from Reddit or GLP soccer moms really fucked up the flow of things. I gave them benefit of the doubt for a very long time on the floaters and stoppers but couldn't defend them anymore. It's just a "you get what you paid for" scenario and i PERSONALLY never had an issue with either, but I get why we don't want this to become the standard as a community.

 

[MiaRage22]

The entire underground is a dumpster fire...... QSC is a coin-flip (assuming they truly come back), HYB recently had some testing come back super underdosed (don't recall if it was them who also said they weren't shipping to the U.S. anymore), GA (I don't even know what to say about them), SSA is another toss-up........

Basically, Stan & Opti for us U.S. bros..... (I don't throw Axle in the mix because every other week they want to burn that thread down too lol)....

SCARY TIMES................

 

[AlmightyAlpha]

I swear to God if someone says OPSEC one more time.....


Also, people crying about a 200 dollar loss is insane lol were you down to your last bucks and then decided to order from ching Chong over seas knowing it's ALWAYS a gamble no matter the source. Just chalk it up to the game and all the savings you previously gained before this L.
My shit was delivered to some Chicago fuck in here that still hasn't hit me back. Lol got their address and IP and other info but it is what it is.... Not worth it. A few good sources like QSC still around. Just gotta do your research.

 

[Swolemates365]

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I swear to God if someone says OPSEC one more time.....


Also, people crying about a 200 dollar loss is insane lol were you down to your last bucks and then decided to order from ching Chong over seas knowing it's ALWAYS a gamble no matter the source. Just chalk it up to the game and all the savings you previously gained before this L.
My shit was delivered to some Chicago fuck in here that still hasn't hit me back. Lol got their address and IP and other info but it is what it is.... Not worth it. A few good sources like QSC still around. Just gotta do your research

200.00?? I wish it was only 200!!

 

[AlmightyAlpha]

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200.00?? I wish it was only 200!!

Same lol add an extra zero

 

[LGOP528]

Honestly I'm not too upset about all this happening. Forced me to branch out and find some other good sources. Also pushed me to start doing research and get the ball rolling on homebrewing.

QSC was like Disneyland for me when I was broke and new to gear. Went from driving 45 minutes to buy $40 vials from a friend IRL to treating this shit like Amazon. Buying gear I had no intention of using.

After being around the lifestyle for a bit longer I can understand the old heads hate for QSC. Don't get me wrong, I fucking love an $8 vial of test, but this spiraled out of control quickly and all the newbies coming in from Reddit or GLP soccer moms really fucked up the flow of things. I gave them benefit of the doubt for a very long time on the floaters and stoppers but couldn't defend them anymore. It's just a "you get what you paid for" scenario and i PERSONALLY never had an issue with either, but I get why we don't want this to become the standard as a community.

You are looking at it all wrong.

QSC is not responsible for your spiraling out of control.

You are responsible for making sure that the gear you inject is sterile. I don’t care who it comes from. Everyone has their own acceptable risk. There are people on both sides of the spectrum here so you have access to the information.

This forum is for harm reduction. The goal would be to educate the newcomers, not gatekeeping.

 

[OxPass]

Just imagine if QSC comes back, fixes all the fuck ups, and resumes business with a fat HGH and Oils promo using better vials and stoppers.

That would be some legendary Netflix documentary type shit.

Then to top it all off he calls the doubters a few slurs with the broken English. Hell yea

Something very similar to that is exactly what is going to happen. The guys who are upset will not see any reason to apologize as they have it in their minds that they know how to run the business better than QSC.

 

[readalot]

The goal would be to educate the newcomers

Good point.

R

Post in thread 'Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co., Ltd (International, US, EU, Canada and Australia domestic'

Jan 16, 2025

Did they also think they were actually talking to a gorgeous Chinese woman?

Hate to break it to you all, but the rep has a dick. All these sleazy Chinese vendors pull the same shit. Like we won't cuss out a woman or something.

i'm not so sure. Plenty of visitors here would be happy to let Quingdong (and many others) shit in their mouths in exchange for cheap gear.

One must prioritize. In order from most important to least important...

Price
T/A
Email response time
Stealth
Potency
Sterility
Community standards

You had time to recruit a couple of the weak minded...

• readalot

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Should have been gone long ago.

Post in thread 'Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co., Ltd (International, US, EU, Canada and Australia domestic'

Feb 12, 2025

You hit the nail on the head. For people who have watched the entire progression of QSC you will find that things have changed quite a bit. All the testing, advanced testing, improvements in products, better pricing, etc. is all business decisions to bring in more customers and make more money. Many of these things are a win-win because we get what we want and Tracy gets more money. That's how business works and that's fine and good. Suddenly pretending to be friends and part of the "community" and that whole vibe I certainly cannot get on board with. You would hope that vendors...

• B Ware

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[Mongo966]

You make it sound personal. It happens. Suppliers get the heat on them, and it comes instantly. Tracy probably couldn’t even warn his sales ladies who process the orders. I saw it mentioned how they had north of $10M in their bitcoin wallet, and most was drained early on, but more was taken out a few days ago. Just accept it wasn’t personal, and it’s obvious that Tracy hopes to come back.

Alright, so you've decided to take Tracy at his word. I'm sure you have sound reasoning for that.
Don't tell me to "just accept it wasn't personal." Do you think it's my first day on planet earth, so you expect me to just trust what a criminal on the other side of the world tells me right before he disappears with my money? Just because the timing of it jives with the heat being felt in China? Does that seem logical to you when I say it that way?
You can make your assumptions based on what you know, and I'll make mine based on what I know. Let's just do that instead of you telling me to just fucking accept things the way you see them.

 

[readalot]

Unfortunately while it would be great to have a dedicated thread with links to all of QSC’s bad dealings I am not the guy to take this on. It would take someone weeks to read through that thread and link everything. After they were allowed back after their 3rd ban I left the thread and didn’t go back in there until just recently and that was just to gather info on what’s going on in China.

I do challenge someone to take it on and honestly feel @readalot is just the guy to do a great job with it. FYI… it’s a thread that will be remembered a decade or so later if done right like Weighted ChinUp did.

What possible good would this do when members here will order regardless of what evidence you put before them? Just waste time? Another fool's errand?

When price is put before all else the integrity of the forum is lost. Rotten at the core.

@B Ware

Remind me of that Carlin quote...?

"The planet is fine, the people are fucked."

 

[LGOP528]

Good point.

R

Post in thread 'Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co., Ltd (International, US, EU, Canada and Australia domestic'

Jan 16, 2025

Did they also think they were actually talking to a gorgeous Chinese woman?

Hate to break it to you all, but the rep has a dick. All these sleazy Chinese vendors pull the same shit. Like we won't cuss out a woman or something.

i'm not so sure. Plenty of visitors here would be happy to let Quingdong (and many others) shit in their mouths in exchange for cheap gear.

One must prioritize. In order from most important to least important...

Price
T/A
Email response time
Stealth
Potency
Sterility
Community standards

You had time to recruit a couple of the weak minded...

• readalot

• 

Should have been gone long ago.

Post in thread 'Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co., Ltd (International, US, EU, Canada and Australia domestic'

Feb 12, 2025

You hit the nail on the head. For people who have watched the entire progression of QSC you will find that things have changed quite a bit. All the testing, advanced testing, improvements in products, better pricing, etc. is all business decisions to bring in more customers and make more money. Many of these things are a win-win because we get what we want and Tracy gets more money. That's how business works and that's fine and good. Suddenly pretending to be friends and part of the "community" and that whole vibe I certainly cannot get on board with. You would hope that vendors...

• B Ware

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When I say educated, I mean give them the information and hope they make good decisions. I don’t mean shove my opinion down their throats and attack them if they don’t adopt my view point.

Just want to clarify that.

 

[Mongo966]

Remind me of that Carlin quote...?

"The planet is fine, the people are fucked."

Thanks for that.
Sometimes I forget how much I miss that guy. I think I'll watch one of his specials today.

 

[curveball2025]

What possible good would this do when members here will order regardless of what evidence you put before them? Just waste time? Another fool's errand?

When price is put before all else the integrity of the forum is lost. Rotten at the core.

@B Ware

Remind me of that Carlin quote...?

"The planet is fine, the people are fucked."

You don't buy from him, so why should you care? Seems like people are butt hurt because a vendor has found success without giving a shit about what their detractors say. It kind of shows how insignificant they are to anyone other than themselves.

 

[readalot]

I don’t mean shove my opinion down their throats and attack them if they don’t adopt my view point.

Such loaded language. Impressive feat over an internet connection.

I'm probably cluttering this hallowed thread. My bad.

 

[readalot]

Thanks for that.
Sometimes I forget how much I miss that guy. I think I'll watch one of his specials today.

My recommendation...Jammin in NY, 1992.