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[Oldhand]

How much mast do you guys do per week during a blast?

I like anywhere between 350 and 550 usually run it 1:1 with test dosage or slightly higher than test.

Same protocol as RockyP.

 

[darkdays]

How much mast do you guys do per week during a blast?

i've yielded great results at 175-250mgs a week in the past, but its fair to say i dose damn near everything lower than most on here

 

[GrowDozer]

Boner pills landed b4 xxxmas u da man

 

[Ghoul]

I agree here, and in most cases. But also, “search through 15k messages” is wild lol. The search feature is good, but not THAT good. I think i’m just ass at searching.

a bit off topic, but it would be nice to use those google search AI features to search through giant meso threads.

You can with any AI or search engine. The problem is they have limited page views without an account.

 

[RockyP]

i've yielded great results at 175-250mgs a week in the past, but its fair to say i dose damn near everything lower than most on here

200 test / 200 mast is a very nice HRT+ cruise.

 

[Dial It In]

i've yielded great results at 175-250mgs a week in the past, but its fair to say i dose damn near everything lower than most on here

I’m the same. I do great at 200 and maybe 300 with mast. Looking at my past I’ve come to realize those high volumes weren’t necessary and I get the same now. But I’ve also grown way more insightful on diet and training. Understanding how to correctly cycle your diet, when to switch up training type and formats along with walking away from drinking and getting that sleep. Plus the gains are much more permanent on those times when test is all you can do due to injury or a health reset. I’m sure you e seen those guys that blast and blast then months later when they stop they fall off a cliff then they are right back at it. It’s a long game if you want to do this for a long time. Chess not checkers

 

[Oldhand]

I’m the same. I do great at 200 and maybe 300 with mast. Looking at my past I’ve come to realize those high volumes weren’t necessary and I get the same now. But I’ve also grown way more insightful on diet and training. Understanding how to correctly cycle your diet, when to switch up training type and formats along with walking away from drinking and getting that sleep. Plus the gains are much more permanent on those times when test is all you can do due to injury or a health reset. I’m sure you e seen those guys that blast and blast then months later when they stop they fall off a cliff then they are right back at it. It’s a long game if you want to do this for a long time. Chess not checkers

Tons of good points here. When you focus on diet you realize there is no longer room for alcohol- like zero room. No booze automatically improves sleep and you fall into a very consistent schedule.

 

[Dial It In]

Tons of good points here. When you focus on diet you realize there is no longer room for alcohol- like zero room. No booze automatically improves sleep and you fall into a very consistent schedule.

I think what people fail to realize also is you have a genetic potential even with gear. At some point you’re going to hit the point where you are is where you are. Doing grams a week eventually just turns into wasted money and increased health risk. Everyone isn’t meant to have a pro card or be a top tier athlete. The sooner they sinks in the more responsible you’ll be. If you’re blasting to be the biggest guy in town or your local planet fitness maybe take a step back. Body dysmorphia is a real thing and it’s a battle lots of people lose

 

[RockyP]

Another huge learning experience that people come to at different points is that the leaner you are, the healthier you are, the more gear you can run (if you wanted to). One of the biggest mistakes people make is going really high on the food and the gear at the same time. It’s unnecessary and very unhealthy. Idk why people don’t believe pros who say they run 2 grams in the off season. That plus GH and insulin with a lot of food and elite genetics is plenty to grow to a lean but watery 300 lbs. Sadly, this is what shortens the longevity of these guys. Muscle or fat, 300 lbs ain’t it. Closer to 3 grams or more for contest prep to hold tissue is what I’ve heard from coaches I’ve worked with / spoken to. These are huge dosages but for the big fellas it’s what is required. I see so many goddam fools on social media bragging about taking 2 grams of gear and you throw a t shirt on them you’d never know they lifted weights let alone took gear. What’s very tricky is internalizing the more is NOT better mantra. It’s counter intuitive but it’s 100% true. Except for masteron. Because Dr Lee told us so.

 

[Primal_Pharma]

Proviron..?

That one is a tough bastard. Actively looking for it, no luck yet.

This Mast E (and all other products from this point on) will be in MiG 812 is that correct sir?

Yes dear

 

[OogieBoogie]

Another huge learning experience that people come to at different points is that the leaner you are, the healthier you are, the more gear you can run (if you wanted to). One of the biggest mistakes people make is going really high on the food and the gear at the same time. It’s unnecessary and very unhealthy. Idk why people don’t believe pros who say they run 2 grams in the off season. That plus GH and insulin with a lot of food and elite genetics is plenty to grow to a lean but watery 300 lbs. Sadly, this is what shortens the longevity of these guys. Muscle or fat, 300 lbs ain’t it. Closer to 3 grams or more for contest prep to hold tissue is what I’ve heard from coaches I’ve worked with / spoken to. These are huge dosages but for the big fellas it’s what is required. I see so many goddam fools on social media bragging about taking 2 grams of gear and you throw a t shirt on them you’d never know they lifted weights let alone took gear. What’s very tricky is internalizing the more is NOT better mantra. It’s counter intuitive but it’s 100% true. Except for masteron. Because Dr Lee told us so.

100% agree. If you experiment enough you will realize there is a point of diminishing returns. You add more drugs and dont get more gains, you just get more sides which leads to less gains.

 

[newguy2]

I like anywhere between 350 and 550 usually run it 1:1 with test dosage or slightly higher than test.

No e2 issue running higher than test? I know its not a true AI but still curious

 

[RockyP]

No e2 issue running higher than test? I know its not a true AI but still curious

Not for me. Recently I had test at 525, mast 490 and E2 was low 40’s. I push the mast a little higher when I want to really dry out. But 1:1 ratio is where I run it most of the time.

That said, some guys get zero E2 help from mast. It took me a few rounds of bloodwork to dial this in and see how / if it helped with e2. I’ve seen some bloodwork where guys are running test/mast at 1:1 and the E2 is over 100. And you need to check because sometimes mast can mask the high E2 symptoms and there’s no benefit to having E2 that high even if you “feel” ok on the cocktail.

 

[PrimoKerby]

same here ive ran 450 test and 450 mast and e2 was around high 30s felt great a bit of shedding no low e2 or high e2 signs for me.

 

[newguy2]

Not for me. Recently I had test at 525, mast 490 and E2 was low 40’s. I push the mast a little higher when I want to really dry out. But 1:1 ratio is where I run it most of the time.

That said, some guys get zero E2 help from mast. It took me a few rounds of bloodwork to dial this in and see how / if it helped with e2. I’ve seen some bloodwork where guys are running test/mast at 1:1 and the E2 is over 100. And you need to check because sometimes mast can mask the high E2 symptoms and there’s no benefit to having E2 that high even if you “feel” ok on the cocktail.

That makes sense. I believe it acts more like a serm. Blocks the effects of e2 but doesn't actually lower it or something to that affect.

I hear added some Mast P to my trt during a cut. We'll see how she goes.

 

[darkdays]

200 test / 200 mast is a very nice HRT+ cruise.

haha true, i used to consider my 135mg test 125mg-140mg eq a nice cruise for about a year until i dropped the eq and realized it was more than just a simple cruise protocol (but was only lifting heavy af and grappling at the time),so i got what i put in. once i jumped into the forums and read and read and listened to alot of cbums protocols that ian vallaire shared, then looked into cyclists doping programs back in the "hay-day" (might've spelt that wrong; armstrong times that is), ive come to my own stance of less is more or least amount needed to get desired effects is best for me personally. i still like being able to run long distance or sprints, at least get rim if im off point or get alley ooped for a dunk at 5 10, be able to do calisthenics (mainly muscle ups), etc. buf i understand the higher doses are required for those pushing the limits size wise and competing while trying to maintain an unreasonable or unnatural amount of muscle mass at such a low bf %.

 

[darkdays]

I think what people fail to realize also is you have a genetic potential even with gear. At some point you’re going to hit the point where you are is where you are. Doing grams a week eventually just turns into wasted money and increased health risk. Everyone isn’t meant to have a pro card or be a top tier athlete. The sooner they sinks in the more responsible you’ll be. If you’re blasting to be the biggest guy in town or your local planet fitness maybe take a step back. Body dysmorphia is a real thing and it’s a battle lots of people lose

BD is def a real thing for people on here or at any public gym. remember going from 165 at 6.8% ish to 210 at 8.4 % (the bf recordings were from that standing dexa scan thing {not sure how accurate that is}; id say 7-9 of that was water) in about 12 months on my first real blast that i switched compounds up for a year and had my first experience with tren lol. problem was when i looked in the mirror still saw a featherweight and realized it wasnt healthy and i no longer wanted to chase down being a physique pro (didnt have the legs at the time to be classic and never desired or even imagined open pro was possible); also realized i like living a private life and didn't want to be an "influencer" which was a just new emerging way to make good $ . so pretty much put my body through moderate to extreme trauma only to realize it wasnt what i truly wanted, sorta shitty/embarassing to admit, but maybe this will help some younger kid on here from making the same dumbish decision unless they are 100% all in like a sam sulek.

 

[2ndchancesNK]

How much mast do you guys do per week during a blast?

Similar to @RockyP I’ll run it around 300mg-500mg.

Little bit different test ratio wise; always ran it 3/2 Test/Mast, so have started at 450mg of Test and 300mg of Mast and titrated upwards. Next blast I’ll be trying closer to 1:1 with 437.5mg of Test to 350mg of Mast and titrating over the course of a few months until I hit roughly 612.5mg Test to 490mg Mast. Ultimately will decide with bloodwork if it’s worth pushing it higher — likely not, but best look I’ve had was 720mg test and 480mg Mast.

 

[Ouch]

i've yielded great results at 175-250mgs a week in the past, but its fair to say i dose damn near everything lower than most on here

Same here. But opposite results. I ran Mast around 200-225mg along with 300T for about 16 weeks and it did fuck all for me. Literally the only compound I’ve ever tried that had zero noticeable effects. Meanwhile I can run Primo at 100-200mgs with same amount of Test and see incredible strength gains.