MESO-Rx Sponsor Primal Pharma - US Domestic

[readalot]

Tedious work confirming tentative autoIDs shown on these reports. All we have are the mass spectra in pdf form. If folks are interesting I would recommend consulting with Jano as he already offered a very fair rate for consulting. See his thread.

Someone may also want to pitch this as a natural continuation project in the group testing fund thread. The fund is well funded. My free consulting days are done.

A very wise person has convinced me it is time to consider home brewing.

Fyi. Resources for those interested in a community based solution.

https://thinksteroids.com/community...atory-testing-services.134405067/post-3551750

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/meso-specialized-testing-group-fund.134430810/

 

[readalot]

I know it’s early in the analysis process but is the speculation that these issues are unique to Tren and / or high concentration Tren products?

The nitrogen functional groups? Absolutely not.

Peaks 7-12, as Jano has notated, sure maybe. Very strange when compared to the rock solid TRA results. The quinone peak is very curious. Lots to chase down on these results. Reactive chemistry in the GC?

TRE vs TRA.

 

[Iamlordsirnigus]

TRE400 Testing
Red colored TRE

Janoshik Analytical

Yellow colored TRE

Janoshik Analytical

Vials are sent, in full, sealed. All 10ml intact.

Interesting . Can u post how the red tren e looks

 

[Photon]

Interesting . Can u post how the red tren e looks

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Post in thread 'MESO "Specialized" Testing Group Fund'

Aug 7, 2025

now i want to toss ALLLL my tren vials away, especially the one i got from devon , since he's probably using eo and reselling chinese oils with his labels, i thought devon was going to be good , but seems to be the opposite, I don't like the dark tren look anyway, it looks like pure poison, lol

The Tren A on the left is what I had been using from a homebrewer. The middle is Primal’s Tren A, and the one on the right is Primal’s Tren E. They are all pretty dark but Primal’s Tren A is very dark.

• BamaCrazy

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[readalot]

Pushing the needle forward thanks to you guys!

Credit to you. You did what you said you would do.

 

[BigDadd7]

Rightmost

Post in thread 'MESO "Specialized" Testing Group Fund'

Aug 7, 2025

now i want to toss ALLLL my tren vials away, especially the one i got from devon , since he's probably using eo and reselling chinese oils with his labels, i thought devon was going to be good , but seems to be the opposite, I don't like the dark tren look anyway, it looks like pure poison, lol

The Tren A on the left is what I had been using from a homebrewer. The middle is Primal’s Tren A, and the one on the right is Primal’s Tren E. They are all pretty dark but Primal’s Tren A is very dark.

• BamaCrazy

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None of those look dark when compared to the motor oil from five years ago.

 

[RockyP]

None of those look dark when compared to the motor oil from five years ago.

I’ve seen Tren E that looked like Cafe Patrón. Just un-pinnable for me.

 

[Photon]

None of those look dark when compared to the motor oil from five years ago.

 

[BigDadd7]

I'm not saying I would pin dark gear knowing what I know now. I'm just saying even that ranga one in the middle looks like "harm reduction" compared to some of the shit I've pinned years ago. This new tren e looks like a beautiful heavy-vitamins piss color.

 

[JBird99]

That's not the only major red flag in those tentative autoID GCMS results.

So for the really stupid People in the back of the classroom avoid the 400 as of now.

 

[Photon]

Primal has agreed previously to send 12 vials for GCMS.
We'll get a better idea when the results are out.
Personally I'd avoid any HC gear from any vendor for now.

MESO-Rx Sponsor Post in thread 'Primal Pharma - US Domestic'

Sep 7, 2025

What products are you planning to send for GCMS?

Any suggestions? We were thinking:

Test E 250 (once it's back)
Test Cyp 200 (once it's back)
Test P 100
Sustanon 250
Mast P 100
Tren Ace 100
Tren E 200
Deca 200
NPP 100
EQ 300 (once it's back)

We pledged 12 GCMS tests. Need to add 2 more.

• Primal_Pharma

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[RockyP]

Primal has agreed previously to send 12 vials for GCMS.
We'll get a better idea when the results are out.
Personally I'd avoid any HC gear from any vendor for now.

MESO-Rx Sponsor Post in thread 'Primal Pharma - US Domestic'

Sep 7, 2025

What products are you planning to send for GCMS?

Any suggestions? We were thinking:

Test E 250 (once it's back)
Test Cyp 200 (once it's back)
Test P 100
Sustanon 250
Mast P 100
Tren Ace 100
Tren E 200
Deca 200
NPP 100
EQ 300 (once it's back)

We pledged 12 GCMS tests. Need to add 2 more.

• Primal_Pharma

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Would you include Mast P 200 and / or Primo 200 as HC?

 

[readalot]

Would you include Mast P 200 and / or Primo 200 as HC?

Go by the BB content. Would be interesting if there is a floor below which plastic additive isn't picked up. So many experiments to follow up this finding.

And also @Photon 's push for right type of bottle top filters to avoid leaching. I think there may be a hint in the TRA vials @kain prepped for the tren color project.

 

[JBird99]

Primal has agreed previously to send 12 vials for GCMS.
We'll get a better idea when the results are out.
Personally I'd avoid any HC gear from any vendor for now.

MESO-Rx Sponsor Post in thread 'Primal Pharma - US Domestic'

Sep 7, 2025

What products are you planning to send for GCMS?

Any suggestions? We were thinking:

Test E 250 (once it's back)
Test Cyp 200 (once it's back)
Test P 100
Sustanon 250
Mast P 100
Tren Ace 100
Tren E 200
Deca 200
NPP 100
EQ 300 (once it's back)

We pledged 12 GCMS tests. Need to add 2 more.

• Primal_Pharma

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Appreciate the clarification stuff like this is necessary thank you @Photon and @readalot for continuing to push the standard in the right direction

 

[readalot]

I'm not saying I would pin dark gear knowing what I know now. I'm just saying even that ranga one in the middle looks like "harm reduction" compared to some of the shit I've pinned years ago. This new tren e looks like a beautiful heavy-vitamins piss color.


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Triggering me with the bridges on those aluminum caps.

 

[Dial It In]

Not a science guy but I'll delete this if shouldn't be here...

Benzenemethanamine, also known as benzylamine, is not a plastic itself but is used as a building block in the synthesis of various organic compounds, including plastics and polymers. It serves as an intermediate in the production of materials like nylon fibers and coatings.

Benzylamine serves as an important intermediate in the production of various materials, including:

• Pharmaceuticals: Used in the synthesis of drugs.
• Dyes and Pigments: Acts as a building block for colorants.
• Polymers: Involved in the production of nylon fibers and other synthetic materials.
• Coatings: Functions as an additive in paints and coatings.

GCMS is a sensitive test. BB and BA of course are added to help in reducing crystallizing. With that said they can cause leaching from stoppers or even the vial (coating dependent). How much of the leaching though is from brewing when plastic materials are involved also when it’s heated. Now is it enough plastic to be concerning? Interesting test would be what does that GCMS say with an improved stopper and top of the line vial. Just my take. I’m neither a scientist nor a brewer so maybe I’m off.

 

[Photon]

I think the highest BB might be SUS500 but I'm not 100% sure.
You'd have to check with his brewer.

 

[Photon]

GCMS is a sensitive test. BB and BA of course are added to help in reducing crystallizing. With that said they can cause leaching from stoppers or even the vial (coating dependent). How much of the leaching though is from brewing when plastic materials are involved also when it’s heated. Now is it enough plastic to be concerning?

Totally agree.
Let me share TNE50 GCMS.
High BB of course, it's TNE
Different vendor.

No plastic detected.



So the next question is..how much plastic is an acceptable amount to be injecting per shot?

Interesting test would be what does that GCMS say with an improved stopper and top of the line vial. Just my take. I’m neither a scientist nor a brewer so maybe I’m off.

Crimps, stoppers cost a few c.
Vials maybe abit more.

Chemical compatibility tables, material safety charts, videos can all be found online. Do you really want to go down the route of spending hundreds if not thousands in testing to show if it makes a difference? Today it may not leech, next year it might. Is the few c or maybe a few $ in savings worth it?

 

[Dial It In]

No dimer and very high purity. Full testing results dropping soon

Same goes for a few other compounds we’ve got lined up (yes, including that Test Cyp 50 for our girlies).

You didn’t miss it, just keep an eye out, it’ll be posted shortly. And if you want reassurance in the meantime, there’s plenty of bloodwork and blind tests floating around here that back up exactly what we’re saying. Our quality speaks for itself.

Any feedback on this yet? Not trying to be pushy but I see lots of customer results to Jano popping up

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Post in thread 'MESO "Specialized" Testing Group Fund'

Aug 7, 2025

now i want to toss ALLLL my tren vials away, especially the one i got from devon , since he's probably using eo and reselling chinese oils with his labels, i thought devon was going to be good , but seems to be the opposite, I don't like the dark tren look anyway, it looks like pure poison, lol

The Tren A on the left is what I had been using from a homebrewer. The middle is Primal’s Tren A, and the one on the right is Primal’s Tren E. They are all pretty dark but Primal’s Tren A is very dark.

• BamaCrazy

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Would you mind disclosing when you sent to Jano?

 

[Sera]

Totally agree.
Let me share TNE50 GCMS.
High BB of course, it's TNE
Different vendor.

No plastic detected.
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So the next question is..how much plastic is an acceptable amount to be injecting per shot?



Crimps, stoppers cost a few c.
Vials maybe abit more.

Chemical compatibility tables, material safety charts, videos can all be found online. Do you really want to go down the route of spending hundreds if not thousands in testing to show if it makes a difference? Today it may not leech, next year it might. Is the few c or maybe a few $ in savings worth it?

Homebrew ftw