Post up your Natty IGF-1 Level

[ShutUpAndPump]

I need to get new bloodwork done eventually.

Will IGF1 really return to my natural baseline, of me being my age, after a few days?
Otherwise getting that done while off HGH would be a waste of time and money for me.

Yes it return to baseline after about a week but wait 2 weeks to be 100% sure

 

[Ateam2023]

The guy that has 700 igf-1 with 4 iu is running legit hgh.
Usually each unit of real hgh increases IGF-1 by 100, the result can vary slightly based on the level of nutrition, quality of sleep and levels of estrogen in the body, but approximately that is the ratio.

you FORGOT probably the most important thing,,, AGE. Now what have say about this, It doesn't matter really

 

[The Answ3r]

Please go explain that to the people who use "real" hgh at 10 iu and post IGF-1 at 150 and they claim it's real ahaahaah

We’ve been over this in here already, I’m just one of those “lucky guys” who responds like that. There are a couple others too whose IGF shoots to the moon even on low doses. Check out @AlexDavis43 posts, he even made a chart showing dose vs IGF levels from guys on this forum. Some of us are just wired different, I guess.

 

[ShutUpAndPump]

We’ve been over this in here already, I’m just one of those “lucky guys” who responds like that. There are a couple others too whose IGF shoots to the moon even on low doses. Check out @AlexDavis43 posts, he even made a chart showing dose vs IGF levels from guys on this forum. Some of us are just wired different, I guess.

Not so much, in medical researches with 4 iu they pull 400 igf-1, in my case with 5 iu i pull 600 igf-1. The difference here is not who is fortunate or not, here the difference is between who is using legit hgh and who is using underdosed/bunk products and doesn't want to admit it and by doing so they harm the entire community

 

[sionnach]

buuuuuuuuunk

 

[Eddie.]

The amount of nonsensical posts on this thread is kinda worrisome.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Not so much, in medical researches with 4 iu they pull 400 igf-1, in my case with 5 iu i pull 600 igf-1. The difference here is not who is fortunate or not, here the difference is between who is using legit hgh and who is using underdosed/bunk products and doesn't want to admit it and by doing so they harm the entire community

Lol dude most GH users on Meso are on tested GH and probably from the same small handful of sources; we're all basically running the same shit

The difference here is not who is fortunate or not, here the difference is between who is using legit hgh and who is using underdosed/bunk products and doesn't want to admit it and by doing so they harm the entire community

That line of reasoning is retarded

People admit they have underdosed/bunk shit all the time, it's how they get reimbursed (with Jano tests, not feelz)

 

[BigDadd7]

Not so much, in medical researches with 4 iu they pull 400 igf-1, in my case with 5 iu i pull 600 igf-1. The difference here is not who is fortunate or not, here the difference is between who is using legit hgh and who is using underdosed/bunk products and doesn't want to admit it and by doing so they harm the entire community

What an ignorant, know-it-all, clown statement.

Let me guess, you don't understand what a bell curve is. You don't understand what a standard deviation is. And you don't know what the mean represents.

 

[ShutUpAndPump]

What an ignorant, know-it-all, clown statement.

Let me guess, you don't understand what a bell curve is. You don't understand what a standard deviation is. And you don't know what the mean represents.

You again? You posted last week that you were running 4 iu of hgh with an igf-1 of 130 and instead of blaming those who screwed you, you're here criticizing me? what mental problems do you have?

 

[BigDadd7]

You again? You posted last week that you were running 4 iu of hgh with an igf-1 of 130 and instead of blaming those who screwed you, you're here criticizing me? what mental problems do you have?

You again? I figured you would have taken a pill to cure your retardation by now.

 

[AlexDavis43]

You again? You posted last week that you were running 4 iu of hgh with an igf-1 of 130 and instead of blaming those who screwed you, you're here criticizing me? what mental problems do you have?

Anyway, as has been discussed a million times, IGF1 is not a good way to assess the quality of your GH

Yes it's a good sign if it's high in response to GH use, but there are some very common variables that reduce your IGF1 response (so it's not indicative of bunk GH)

 

[ShutUpAndPump]

Anyway, as has been discussed a million times, IGF1 is not a good way to assess the quality of your GH

Yes it's a good sign if it's high in response to GH use, but there are some very common variables that reduce your IGF1 response (so it's not indicative of bunk GH)

What do endocrinologists use to dose and adjust HGH therapy during adolescence? IGF-1 levels.
So saying that igf-1 it is not important means doing a favor to those who sell fake stuff

 

[Ateam2023]

What do endocrinologists use to dose and adjust HGH therapy during adolescence? IGF-1 levels.
So saying that igf-1 it is not important means doing a favor to those who sell fake stuff

Gh serum test is a good way to know if your hgh is "good" "what was your gh serum test" results ? Ive had a couple (very good both times from "bunk hgh") very respectable gh serum tests that i have posted and by which "bunk hgh" brand i was using.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Gh serum test is a good way to know if your hgh is "good" "what was your gh serum test" results ? Ive had a couple (very good both times from "bunk hgh") very respectable gh serum tests that i have posted and by which "bunk hgh" brand i was using.

@ShutUpAndPump I agree with this, too

A quick & dirty serum GH test is second to Jano imo, and both are better indicators of GH quality compared to IGF1 response

IGF1 is a one way indicator: if it increases, it's a fairly safe assumption that the GH is good. BUT if IGF1 doesn't increase (or less than expected), it's not a great assumption that the GH is bunk (it could be, but you'd need a Jano test for confirmation [I don't know of any vendors who would reimburse for a poor quick & dirty GH test as there are too many things can go wrong])

 

[songsofpyramids]

What do endocrinologists use to dose and adjust HGH therapy during adolescence? IGF-1 levels.
So saying that igf-1 it is not important means doing a favor to those who sell fake stuff

They also use height velocity. As for the fake hgh I haven’t even really seen underdosed or low purity hgh in what feels like awhile. If you’re buying from many of the vendors you’re going to see vendor third party lab work, customer third party lab work, gh serum tests, and igf1 results. How are they going to fake all of this to cover up their “bunk” shit? Some people just have shitty responses to hgh from caloric deficit, the other drugs they’re on, poor liver health, and a variety of other factors. We see similar variety of response in every other hormone drug out there as well. Your argument really seems like it’s coming from limited research and experience with hgh.

 

[ShutUpAndPump]

Gh serum test is a good way to know if your hgh is "good" "what was your gh serum test" results ? Ive had a couple (very good both times from "bunk hgh") very respectable gh serum tests that i have posted and by which "bunk hgh" brand i was using.

@ShutUpAndPump I agree with this, too

A quick & dirty serum GH test is second to Jano imo, and both are better indicators of GH quality compared to IGF1 response

IGF1 is a one way indicator: if it increases, it's a fairly safe assumption that the GH is good. BUT if IGF1 doesn't increase (or less than expected), it's not a great assumption that the GH is bunk (it could be, but you'd need a Jano test for confirmation [I don't know of any vendors who would reimburse for a poor quick & dirty GH test as there are too many things can go wrong])

They also use height velocity. As for the fake hgh I haven’t even really seen underdosed or low purity hgh in what feels like awhile. If you’re buying from many of the vendors you’re going to see vendor third party lab work, customer third party lab work, gh serum tests, and igf1 results. How are they going to fake all of this to cover up their “bunk” shit? Some people just have shitty responses to hgh from caloric deficit, the other drugs they’re on, poor liver health, and a variety of other factors. We see similar variety of response in every other hormone drug out there as well. Your argument really seems like it’s coming from limited research and experience with hgh.

Hgh test can be any of the peptides or arginine injectable that raise the hgh numbers. If you want gh numbers then peptides are cheap. Faked hgh back in the day gave great gh scores but nothing for igf1. Increasing Igf1 is the goal.
Yes Jano is even better but only a small % of people test their hgh unfortunately

 

[songsofpyramids]

Hgh test can be any of the peptides or arginine injectable that raise the hgh numbers. If you want gh numbers then peptides are cheap. Faked hgh back in the day gave great gh scores but nothing for igf1. Increasing Igf1 is the goal.
Yes Jano is even better but only a small % of people test their hgh unfortunately

What you’re saying doesn’t make a lot of sense and you flat ignored what we’re saying. You’re acting like a know it all without even acknowledging what the people around you are saying. Gh serum won’t get near as high on secretagogues as hgh. That is something that happened 10-15 years ago but the market has very much changed, and people figured out what to look for back then too.

I’ve literally not seen any bunk testing lately. Lowest purity hgh I’ve seen is 94% and the worst underdosing is at the level advertised. Where is this mystery bunk hgh you’re seeing?

 

[sionnach]

*quoting Ateam2023*

Gh serum test is a good way to know if your hgh is "good" "what was your gh serum test" results ? Ive had a couple (very good both times from "bunk hgh") very respectable gh serum tests that i have posted and by which "bunk hgh" brand i was using.

Shit, do I still have to take a drink if he quoted someone else saying "bunk", or does it only count if he says it directly? This game is gonna kill me. Can we just switch to Bingo?

 

[AlexDavis43]

Hgh test can be any of the peptides or arginine injectable that raise the hgh numbers. If you want gh numbers then peptides are cheap.

No, the GH test is specific and not to test your ability to produce GH, but to gauge how much GH levels increase 2-3 hours after you inject 10 IU IM

Typically GH reaches the mid-30s with this protocol; much less suggests underdosed or bunk; much more suggests it's overdosed

Faked hgh back in the day gave great gh scores but nothing for igf1.

What?

 

[crispybacon!]

I took 4iu/day of brand X HGH for about 6 weeks. IGF-1 went from 176 to 382. I am now taking 4iu/day of brand Y with virtually identical specs (purity/dimer). Is it reasonable to expect similar results assuming all else is equal with regard to my protocol?

Just wondering if the issue of low numbers would be valid for someone that has actually show decent response in the past.