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[RThoads]

If anyone decides to send samples for testing, please send a brand new unopened product to help eliminate some other variables and some of the potential for introducing errors.

We generally do advise clients to send just 1 ml of oil in a clean container- less risky, we don't really need more and keeps the samples blind for us, which gives the community way to check on us.

The above does look like a used peptide vial with the crimp still on - I would slightly worry aobut whether it still qualifies as a clean container.

 

[Isrrike]

Do you know if there is any testing for the same batch that he sent for testing? That way it can put everyone’s arguments to bed

 

[Raww]

Anyone is free to get testing.
For example, BigJP just got testing and no one paid him to do it.

Oh no you didn't.....

BigJP got testing. On his dime. Posted the results here.......

AND YOUR ORGANIZATION HAS REPEATEDLY CALLED HIM A SCAMMER......

 

[RThoads]

Oh no you didn't.....

BigJP got testing. On his dime. Posted the results here.......

AND YOUR ORGANIZATION HAS REPEATEDLY CALLED HIM A SCAMMER......

I am not sure how your post is relevant.
Please, don't take it as an attack or insult -- I genuinely don't understand.

Are you saying that how you guys feel the source reacted to BigJP's results intimidates you or prevent you from pursuing testing of your own?

How a source reacts or doesn't react has no power over preventing you from doing what you choose to do.
You can order or not order from whomever you choose -- no one forces you to buy from, or not buy from, anyone.
And, you are free to do whatever you want with what you buy -- no one can stop you from getting testing.

 

[BALLISTIC]

You are making disrespectful statements about me without ever talking to me or knowing me. That tells me a lot about you.

@BigJP and I are on good terms and speak to each other respectfully.
I have gone above and beyond for many people here over the years.
But you, someone that does not even know me, talks shit about me.

I won't even lower myself to your level or be rude here, because you can already guess how I feel about the way you act toward me.

By the way, your statements are full of contradictions.

For example, you act confused about a statement that mentions the risks of sources "going under."
But shortly later you cite Jano's interview that "The steroid market has collapsed" and give examples of potential problems that result from sources are going under.

Also, you are wrong about a used vial and how much it can influence the results.
Firstly, before you start your drama and virtue signalling, let me say that I have no idea what vial BigJP used or didn't use nor do I know if it was clean or not, so this is not an accusation towards him doing anything on purpose.
If the vial was not clean and had other liquid left in it, there is a potential to dilute the results. We are only talking about a 1 mL sample. What is there was something left in the vile, especially it the volume was a heterogeneous mixture, it could skew the results.

I wonder about the logic that these results are somehow infallible, but all the others results don't matter.
It shows you are not logical.
If there are many other data points that are all in agreement, then the outlier is usually the one that is erroneous.
You completely disregard all the other results.
You completely disregard all the other possibilities.
You completely disregard decades of good business.
But you worship these results as if they are the eternal truth handed down from heaven.

You're not interested in figuring out the truth -- you're only here to push an agenda and it shows.
You downplay or completely disregard anything that challenges your narrative.

Where is your suggestion to BigJP to or Basicstero to send one of the unopened vials to get more info?
Where is your curiosity about how one group of result are in disagreement with years of other results including results of products from the same time period (the guy on Reddit posted MIX-M from the same exact month BigJP's were purchased)?
Where is your concern about the transfer vial?
Where are your question about how the product was stored (a hot care in August, direct sun light, anything that can speed degradation)?
Where is the genuine desire to figure out what is going on?

Nope, all you have is prejudice and reject anything other than your assumption the source is bad.

It is clear you are not interested in getting to the truth or you would act differently and try to figure out why the results do not agree with the greater body of work -- I don't recall you even participating in this thread much before this -- it looks like you just see an opportunity to make drama and bash a source.

@RThoads let me be very clear, because this has obviously crossed wires that were never intended to cross.

My comments about “going under,” defensiveness, and market pressure were not aimed at you personally. They were directed at the founder’s response as quoted and the narrative being pushed there. You did previously mention supply side stress and possible production issues, and I referenced that only in the context of broader market conditions, not as an accusation toward you.

If my wording came across as a personal slight toward you, that was not my intent, and I’ll own that communication matters. I don’t dispute that you’ve helped people here over the years (myself included) that’s not what this is about. You've always give above and beyond to find resolve and remedy.

On the vial point...You’re absolutely right on one narrow technical detail (if residual liquid were present in a used vial) then yes, dilution is chemically possible with a 1 mL sample. That’s fair. My point was never “carryover is impossible,” but that it requires actual liquid volume to meaningfully skew results not just a previously crimped vial being reused dry. That distinction matters.

Where I push back is this part...
One outlier versus many historical results.

Historical performance does deserve weight, I agree with that. But historical performance cannot mathematically override a verified quantitative outlier when batch specific drift/issue is exactly what’s being alleged. Both things can be true at the same time. A source can be historically solid, and still have a single compromised batch. Those are not mutually exclusive.

As for questioning storage, transfer, and unopened vial testing, I actually agree with you. That’s why I said the best outcome is to locate multiple customers from the same batch, same compound, same distributor, same window and test those. That is literally the most statistically correct resolution path. I’m not opposed to further testing, I’m advocating for it. I also clearly started only Bigjp knows if he's acting ethically.

What I reject is this being reduced to...It must be competitors, a reputation attack, or an agenda. There is no refund ask, no compensation attempt, no financial leverage, and no coordinated narrative behind this. Unless through your communication with Bigjp outside the thread has taken place. Again I don't know so don't get tied up in this.

There is only...A blind submission, a quantitative result, and unresolved batch level uncertainty. That’s not prejudice. That’s an incomplete data set asking for completion.

If the batch re-tests clean across multiple independent vials, I’ll say exactly that publicly. That’s how verification works.

I’m not here to bash a source.
I’m here to separate emotion from chemistry.

What concerns me most at this stage is not disagreement, it’s the continued redirection away from verification. A well-funded, premium priced operation with full manufacturing or distribution control has the ability to resolve this cleanly and transparently. Unless.... Something is wrong and looking to be hidden.

The most reasonable path forward would be to identify other customers in this same thread who purchased the same batch, same compound, same timeframe, through the same vendor, and submit those for independent testing. That removes speculation entirely. Reframing the issue around motives, competitors, or reputation does not move us closer to the truth. Batch matched replication does.

 

[RThoads]

Do you know if there is any testing for the same batch that he sent for testing? That way it can put everyone’s arguments to bed

@Pharmacom Support shared a 2025 result that is very likely to be from the same batch.
Nonetheless, some of the guys here will reject it because the source ordered the testing (yet, they want the source to pay other guys to get testing -- makes a lot of sense, they can just say that it doesn't count because the source paid you to get the testing so its bias etc.).

But, I was able to find this MIX-M result on Reddit from the exact same time BigJP placed his order. Again, very likely to be the same batch since the store usually has the same batch for sale for a long time (many batches are huge runs that last months, or even longer).

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/Basicstero/comments/1ntrn1r/masteron_and_primo_results/


If I have some time, I may try to search for some additional results -- I'm sure some others customs must have posted something else somewhere (maybe even telegram or European forums).

However, to be honest, I am losing interest and getting tired of this bullshit -- I have nothing to gain or lose here. I just try to help everyone but life is short and schedules are busy. Is this truly the best way I can be spending my limited time?
Some of these guy are disrespectful towards me without knowing me or having any direct conversations with me.
They just reject anything that does not fit what they decided to think.
What do I owe them? why? what do I gain for all the time I put in?
Will they even care if I find other results?

So right now, going to BJJ class with my family, maybe practicing some guitar, making a nice dinner, or just relaxing to spend some quality time with the people I love, all sounds much more appealing to me than spending hours searching the internet and debating ransom names on a discussion forum like its 2007.

Shit man, nowadays, no one can even be sure that everyone online is even real.

Please understand I care -- hopefully all the time and effort on posts here prove that. But I am not a young man (I'm almost 50 years old) and life is short. So I serious think about what I could be doing instead of this.
Is this discussion enriching my life? Is it a positive enjoyable experience? Is there some reason I'm required to do it? What do I get out of the experience? am I wasting time that I could put into better things?

So I just don't know if I want to put much more effort into this.

 

[BALLISTIC]

@RThoads...genuinely, no one is dismissing the time you’ve put in here. You’ve helped a lot of people over the years, and nothing I’ve written was meant to diminish that. The tension here isn’t personal; it’s procedural. You weren’t the target of my earlier comments, even if the tone landed wrong. Again I don't think I disrespected you at all but I extend an apology due to perception. Text has no context. I'm sure if this conversation took place face to face you would see I'm not on the offense or defense with the exception to the founders message and potential blame shifting as previously stated.

To answer Isrrike’s question directly...
Yes, a MIX-M result from around the same timeframe is valuable data, but only if it is batch matched, not just chronologically close. The same compound from the same month doesn’t automatically mean the same fill, especially when runs can vary or when different distributors pull from different manufactured tiers. That’s why people aren’t rejecting the idea, they’re just pointing out that a result is only conclusive if it ties to the exact batch.

That’s why I keep stressing the same point...

The cleanest, least debatable resolution is multiple tests from customers who bought the same batch, same compound, same distributor, and same timeframe as BigJP.

Not because older results don’t matter they most certainly do, but because batch specific drift is exactly what’s being discussed as possibility. Historical performance doesn’t invalidate an outlier, and a single outlier doesn’t invalidate history. Both can be true.

No one is asking you to spend hours digging through Reddit or telegram threads. Your contributions already speak for themselves. The issue isn’t about loyalty, motives, or drama, it’s about closing the data gap as cleanly as possible.

If others with matching batch numbers step forward and their vials test in line with label claims, then that settles it. If they don’t, that tells its own story. Either way, the truth comes from replication, not personalities.

 

[lipzz17]

These guys sure seem to be going out of their way to insult and demean their customers - I feel insulted by their response here.

I agree, they appear to be a little bit childish if i can put in that way.. i was thinking in buying from them but after see how they treat their customers i changed my mind.

 

[BigJP]

To answer a couple loose ends pertaining to me specifically, the 3 samples of pharmacom products were extracted and submitted into clean, previously unused 3ml glass vials. Nobody paid me or contributed to the cost of testing.
I have not asked for any form of compensation from the manufacturer.
I use these products and sent them off so I know how to accurately dose them for myself. The fact that they didn’t come back as advertised is what it is.
I didn’t appreciate immediately and continuously getting accused of scamming. On the flip side
@RThoads is someone that has helped me with my pharmacom orders and customer service for ten years. From my understanding he’s just a regular guy like us that uses the products and helps on here when we can.
So no hard feelings towards him.
Will I do my own research that I havent bothered doing In years so I’m more informed on other sourcing options? Definitely

 

[Raww]

I am not sure how your post is relevant.
Please, don't take it as an attack or insult -- I genuinely don't understand.

Are you saying that how you guys feel the source reacted to BigJP's results intimidates you or prevent you from pursuing testing of your own?

How a source reacts or doesn't react has no power over preventing you from doing what you choose to do.
You can order or not order from whomever you choose -- no one forces you to buy from, or not buy from, anyone.
And, you are free to do whatever you want with what you buy -- no one can stop you from getting testing.

No, nobody it being forced. Although ridicule and shame are powerful forces.

No, the problem is - attacking him makes you look guilty, and makes your pleas of being open and honest look suspect.

There are two ways of dealing with a PR problem - the first is open, honest, and transparent.

The second is to attack, obfuscate, and distract.

In no world does calling the person who brought this to your attention a 'scammer' meet the first description.

The open, honest, and transparent way to show that 'maybe' BigJP's results are not valid - is to ... right here in this forum, for all to see ... arrange to pay him to ship any other of your product he has off for further testing. You could combine that with ... right here on this forum, for all to see ... open calls for any other customers who may have some of your product from the same batch's to do the same on your dime. Openly arrange for the results to be published - this clears your name and makes you look like you genuinely believe there may have been a mistake in BigJp's testing somewhere and that you have full confidence in your product.

Calling him a scammer. Posting results that are not from the same batch's. Saying that his testing procedures aren't valid. Saying other people can pay to test their stuff - these are all attacks, obfuscations, and distractions.

They do the exact opposite of making you look like you have full confidence in your product.