Oral only Cycle for Noob

[ICD-HardThings]

Got a buddy that is scared to do a real cycle but is willing to do an oral only cycle. To be quite honest I don't think he should do shit til his body fat is down and he has more disciplined. That being said he is going to do it regardless. He is 5'8 and weighs 238 id say his bf is 20-25%. Its not a matter of if so im trying to provide him some info. What is the best cycle he can run for a bulk and then for a cut? Orals only.

I've done given him the discipline, diet, and training spill it isn't changing his mind.

 

[taco33150]

No oral only cycle.. don’t even bother with aas than

 

[gear shef]

nothing wrong with a good ole' dbol only cycle. Youll here a bunch of people regurgitate the same bullshit they heard someone else say 15 years ago advising against oral only.

gets in quick
gets out quick

but your friend is way to fat, he wont notice much but strength gains

 

[gear shef]

and as far as the best cycle for him....based on what you said, NONE. He's sound like a lazy fuck and AAS wont get him any further

 

[taco33150]

So stopping your natural test with orals is ok and not replacing it with nothing .. this has been proven to be a stupid practice..

 

[ironwill1951]

you need to spend a lot of time reading the forums on here, and when you know what your talking about you can give advice until then spend your time acquiring some basic knowledge.

nothing wrong with a good ole' dbol only cycle. Youll here a bunch of people regurgitate the same bullshit they heard someone else say 15 years ago advising against oral only.

gets in quick
gets out quick

but your friend is way to fat, he wont notice much but strength gains

 

[Johne71]

How old is your friend? I’d recommend putting him on this forum. He doesn’t even have to be a member to read a lot of information. A lot of members on here are extremely low natural T now as a result of cycles at young ages and shutting down their own production.
J

 

[gear shef]

So stopping your natural test with orals is ok and not replacing it with nothing .. this has been proven to be a stupid practice..

you need to spend a lot of time reading the forums on here, and when you know what your talking about you can give advice until then spend your time acquiring some basic knowledge.

Can you both elaborate on why...I easily can as to why it’s not the worst idea and may be beneficial depending on individual goals.

The burden of proof is on you to prove your point. Other than saying someone is wrong and to learn more...

 

[taco33150]

Can you both elaborate on why...I easily can as to why it’s not the worst idea and may be beneficial depending on individual goals.

The burden of proof is on you to prove your point. Other than saying someone is wrong and to learn more...

I did type why .. read it again.. test is always your base..

 

[gear shef]

I did type why .. read it again

I read that yes, although You are replacing it...with a different androgen. Obviously it’s going to be suppressed. Exogenous Test will suppress you as well. Please elaborate on your point?

Are you saying test has to be part of a cycle? If that’s the case please explain why you believe this to be true

 

[ironwill1951]

do you like to have libido or don't you use an erection?

 

[gear shef]

do you like to have libido or don't you use an erection?

Are you assuming only test converts into DHT?

I must be missing something. What mechanism of action does test have for supporting libido that can’t be achieved with other aas (not saying all), but other than test.

 

[ironwill1951]

what happens if you get low test? you lose your libido if you can achieve this with other AAS why not just use test which is naturally produced . I don't ever remember your body naturally producing dbol. you are just trying to be an argumentative dick im not going to argue about basics.

 

[gear shef]

what happens if you get low test? you lose your libido if you can achieve this with other AAS why not just use test which is naturally produced . I don't ever remember your body naturally producing dbol. you are just trying to be an argumentative dick im not going to argue about basics.

You challenged me first. But ok

 

[ironwill1951]

I did not challenge you I just made a statement that people with no knowledge should not give bad advice.
and telling guys to do an oral only cycle is horrible advice..

 

[Morefyah]

I read that yes, although You are replacing it...with a different androgen. Obviously it’s going to be suppressed. Exogenous Test will suppress you as well. Please elaborate on your point?

Are you saying test has to be part of a cycle? If that’s the case please explain why you believe this to be true

You can get away without ruining Test. But only for a few weeks. It doesn’t matter what’s causing the suppression, oral or injectables. Once full shutdown occurs after a few weeks the use of exogenous testosterone Is needed to aid in basic male function not just sexual, either. Cognitive function relies of testosterone levels as well. Why are you arguing for the sake of arguing.

 

[gear shef]

Ok guys I’ll let y’all have it. We’re on total opposite ends of the spectrum here. We won’t find common ground. I have my own knowledge of endocrinology and exogenous hormone metabolism and you have yours. Clearly ironwill has found what works for him as evident in his avatar.

I respectfully disagree with the two of you but again I agree to disagree. I’m not just trying to argue. I’m only trying to elaborate on what I know to be factual while simultaneously trying to understand why y’all are still of that school of thought...as in maybe I missed something new in the literature.

I’m an evidence based mind and while I do think trial and error has its advantages... I more so agree with at least making an informed decision, not just because it’s what has been commonly prescribed by the “gurus” of the time...fish thins the skin was a belief for a long time but we all know that’s bullshit now.

 

[Morefyah]

Ok guys I’ll let y’all have it. We’re on total opposite ends of the spectrum here. We won’t find common ground. I have my own knowledge of endocrinology and exogenous hormone metabolism and you have yours. Clearly ironwill has found what works for him as evident in his avatar.

I respectfully disagree with the two of you but again I agree to disagree. I’m not just trying to argue. I’m only trying to elaborate on what I know to be factual while simultaneously trying to understand why y’all are still of that school of thought...as in maybe I missed something new in the literature.

I’m an evidence based mind and while I do think trial and error has its advantages... I more so agree with at least making an informed decision, not just because it’s what has been commonly prescribed by the “gurus” of the time...fish thins the skin was a belief for a long time but we all know that’s bullshit now.

I gave you the answer.
This is hilarious, your 30 and You really think you know more then @ironwill1951 gtfoh!!

 

[gear shef]

I gave you the answer.
This is hilarious, your 30 and You really think you know more then @ironwill1951 gtfoh!!

Never said I knew more than anyone. But in regards to the discussion at hand I am willing to debate.

Your answer might as well be an appeal to nature fallacy. Just because it’s bio-identical does not mean it’s optimal in a protocol.

I’m not saying test is bad by any means and has it’s place. But what your eluding to is that test must be included in all cycles extending a few weeks. Which I do t agree with.

Additionally in your own words you said it could be done for a few weeks. Not that I think this is a valid argument but going off YOUR own idea why could you not do a Dbol only cycle for a few weeks which generally shouldn’t extend past 4-6 weeks depending on dosage anyway. When you just said it could be done for that amount of time.

 

[gear shef]

You can get away without ruining Test. But only for a few weeks.