Oral only Cycle for Noob

[taco33150]

Can you both elaborate on why...I easily can as to why it’s not the worst idea and may be beneficial depending on individual goals.

The burden of proof is on you to prove your point. Other than saying someone is wrong and to learn more...

I gave you the answer.
This is hilarious, your 30 and You really think you know more then @ironwill1951 gtfoh!!

I’m with these guys..@ironwill1951@Morefyah
Go tell your FRIEND to do what he wants.. don’t come back asking why I have no libido

 

[Morefyah]

Do you have question @gear shef?
You quoted me?

 

[gear shef]

Do you have question @gear shef?
You quoted me?

Yes the question was in the post prior. That one was to quote your own words on the topic.

I don’t want to spend to much more time on this as I said we don’t agree which is fine. But in just two minutes a simple search through the literature displays numerous results in which derivatives other than Testosterone have been used as a standalone in the treatment androgen deficiency. Illustrating that other compounds used in absence of testosterone can also be a solution to HRT. Which indicates they can be run independently from bio-identical Testosterone administration.

The combined effect of growth hormone and methandrostenolone on the linear growth of patients with multiple pituitary hormone deficiencies

Clinical endocrinology 6 (4), 271-276, 1977


That being said TRT imo should be done with bio-identical testosterone. But I’m merely trying to show that compounds (not all) can be run without testosterone in a cycle.

Often times people have issues from running test with other compounds and don’t even second guess it’s the testosterone causing the problem because of what’s regurgitated.

You have to think about the binding affinity of different compounds and how that affects the ability of the testosterone to bind to the androgen receptor prior to the aromatase enzyme getting a hold of it.

 

[anfee]

Oral only cycles are for people who don’t know what they are doing. Friend is afraid to pin? Then no AAS for him.

Dbol only is fucking stupid. Water weight and a limp dick will be in his future. I’m sure that’s what your friend wants. Right?

 

[Morefyah]

Yes the question was in the post prior. That one was to quote your own words on the topic.

I don’t want to spend to much more time on this as I said we don’t agree which is fine. But in just two minutes a simple search through the literature displays numerous results in which derivatives other than Testosterone have been used as a standalone in the treatment androgen deficiency. Illustrating that other compounds used in absence of testosterone can also be a solution to HRT. Which indicates they can be run independently from bio-identical Testosterone administration.

The combined effect of growth hormone and methandrostenolone on the linear growth of patients with multiple pituitary hormone deficiencies

Clinical endocrinology 6 (4), 271-276, 1977


That being said TRT imo should be done with bio-identical testosterone. But I’m merely trying to show that compounds (not all) can be run without testosterone in a cycle.

Often times people have issues from running test with other compounds and don’t even second guess it’s the testosterone causing the problem because of what’s regurgitated.

You have to think about the binding affinity of different compounds and how that affects the ability of the testosterone to bind to the androgen receptor prior to the aromatase enzyme getting a hold of it.

Your just talking out of your ass.
Trestolone is the ONLY compound currently available that can actually mimic testosterone. Though a low dose of testosterone is still recommended. There are currently no other substitutes available. DHT derivatives are not an option and this has absolutely nothing to do with the androgen receptors. As I mentioned in my other post the cognitive effects of natty or exogenous testosterone can not be duplicated with androgens. They can temporarily mask the effects of an environment absence of testosterone but can not duplicate or replace testosterone for a prolonged period of time.
Imo, The loss of cognitive function is more detrimental and important then the sexual dis function everyone speaks about.

 

[ICD-HardThings]

I just laid it down to him every last detail I could. Pretty much told him its a lifestyle that can come with some steep consequences. Told him my experience and what it takes to follow through on a cycle. Pretty sure he has had a change of heart. I just told him I wanted him to make his own educated decision and understand there could be grave consequences for dumb shit. He said he'd think about it and let me know. Bottom line I let him know he needed his diet and discipline dialed in and be ready to pin.

I think we've all been a knuckle head before and when we see a friend that is obviously doing something right we want that. I let him know that I've spent the last 9 years doing this natural and only this year started blasting again. It lets him know that there is work that has to be done and AAS isn't going to be a miracle worker.

 

[HIGHRISK]

nothing wrong with a good ole' dbol only cycle. Youll here a bunch of people regurgitate the same bullshit they heard someone else say 15 years ago advising against oral only.

gets in quick
gets out quick

but your friend is way to fat, he wont notice much but strength gains

lol
Please stop giving advice

 

[HIGHRISK]

I just laid it down to him every last detail I could. Pretty much told him its a lifestyle that can come with some steep consequences. Told him my experience and what it takes to follow through on a cycle. Pretty sure he has had a change of heart. I just told him I wanted him to make his own educated decision and understand there could be grave consequences for dumb shit. He said he'd think about it and let me know. Bottom line I let him know he needed his diet and discipline dialed in and be ready to pin.

I think we've all been a knuckle head before and when we see a friend that is obviously doing something right we want that. I let him know that I've spent the last 9 years doing this natural and only this year started blasting again. It lets him know that there is work that has to be done and AAS isn't going to be a miracle worker.

It just stop being a pussy and shove the damn needle in his ass.

 

[ICD-HardThings]

It just stop being a pussy and shove the damn needle in his ass.

I'd never recommend anyone use gear but ill try and educate someone to not do something stupid. If I had knowledge of orals I'd had just shot it to him off the rip.

 

[HIGHRISK]

I'd never recommend anyone use gear but ill try and educate someone to not do something stupid. If I had knowledge of orals I'd had just shot it to him off the rip.

Exactly

 

[wedorecover]

Ok guys I’ll let y’all have it. We’re on total opposite ends of the spectrum here. We won’t find common ground. I have my own knowledge of endocrinology and exogenous hormone metabolism and you have yours. Clearly ironwill has found what works for him as evident in his avatar.

I respectfully disagree with the two of you but again I agree to disagree. I’m not just trying to argue. I’m only trying to elaborate on what I know to be factual while simultaneously trying to understand why y’all are still of that school of thought...as in maybe I missed something new in the literature.

I’m an evidence based mind and while I do think trial and error has its advantages... I more so agree with at least making an informed decision, not just because it’s what has been commonly prescribed by the “gurus” of the time...fish thins the skin was a belief for a long time but we all know that’s bullshit now.

@ironwill1951 has been doing this before you where a twinkle in ur daddy’s ball sack .... oral only is retarded and its not hard to figure out why

 

[gear shef]

Your just talking out of your ass.
Trestolone is the ONLY compound currently available that can actually mimic testosterone. Though a low dose of testosterone is still recommended. There are currently no other substitutes available. DHT derivatives are not an option and this has absolutely nothing to do with the androgen receptors. As I mentioned in my other post the cognitive effects of natty or exogenous testosterone can not be duplicated with androgens. They can temporarily mask the effects of an environment absence of testosterone but can not duplicate or replace testosterone for a prolonged period of time.
Imo, The loss of cognitive function is more detrimental and important then the sexual dis function everyone speaks about.

What evidence can you show me that supports your claim that trestolone “is the only compound that mimics testosterone”? In other words...Where have you read this other than some forum members write up of a steroid profile online.

And all else being equal what pathway does testosterone affect cognitive function in which some other androgen would not that has a similar dht conversion through 5-AR and similar aromatase into E2.

I have not at all been aggressive with you. And I’m sincerely trying to understand where y’all are deriving this information.

I’ve supplied you with research showing methandienone is a viable option for androgen deficiency. With dosage being taken into consideration of coarse.

That being said this is still extrapolating the original question of the OP which is much shorter in duration anyway.

 

[chileandawg]

So stopping your natural test with orals is ok and not replacing it with nothing .. this has been proven to be a stupid practice..

Yeah last coment before sleep:

If i could back to the past would like buy a syrynge of 27G and inyect 200mg of test cyp u will be happy.
Nothing wron w/ being a newbie im a newbie in terms of success pct but nobody tells you about the idysincracy of the medicines.Cyp to the good guys test if u r a badass.i choice cyp all the way.

Hope this help,cheers

 

[Morefyah]

What evidence can you show me that supports your claim that trestolone “is the only compound that mimics testosterone”? In other words...Where have you read this other than some forum members write up of a steroid profile online.

And all else being equal what pathway does testosterone affect cognitive function in which some other androgen would not that has a similar dht conversion through 5-AR and similar aromatase into E2.

I have not at all been aggressive with you. And I’m sincerely trying to understand where y’all are deriving this information.

I’ve supplied you with research showing methandienone is a viable option for androgen deficiency. With dosage being taken into consideration of coarse.

That being said this is still extrapolating the original question of the OP which is much shorter in duration anyway.

Lmao, what’s the aggressive remark all about? These nuts! I’ve used Trestolone IM, transdermal and orally. Therefore I don’t need to read some forum profile. I don’t need to copy and paste some bullshit that states dbol can be used for TRt. As you already know your alone on this one. Embrace the moment!

 

[wedorecover]

Lmao, what’s the aggressive remark all about? These nuts! I’ve used Trestolone IM, transdermal and orally. Therefore I don’t need to read some forum profile. I don’t need to copy and paste some bullshit that states dbol can be used for TRt. As you already know your alone on this one. Embrace the moment!

Some people’s kids

 

[gear shef]

Lmao, what’s the aggressive remark all about? These nuts! I’ve used Trestolone IM, transdermal and orally. Therefore I don’t need to read some forum profile. I don’t need to copy and paste some bullshit that states dbol can be used for TRt. As you already know your alone on this one. Embrace the moment!

That’s n=1 On your own experience.

And your right, I knew I’d get tons of shit for my original post on the topic. But that’s ok. This is a harm reduction forum and it’s important to me to debate this information after all the research I’ve sorted through for my own personal enrichment.

Nevertheless I’ll embrace it tho bro. Till next time we disagree

Now get off the tren guys. Fucking assholes. I’m trying to be comical if y’all are unaware.

FYI and in closing I do agree that test, should be included in almost all cycles depending on goals, other compounds being used, and dosing.

 

[EQ Kimball]

I think maybe clench his thirst for enhancers with some T3/T4 (with proper dosage as to not fuck up his thyroid) , some clen, or some bullshit cardarine & Osterine etc.. he's looking to cut corners because he feels so far behind. Let him get on "something" he can trick himself into thinking is helping him and possibly placebo him into being not such a lazy cunt (no offense).

I was just like this guy years ago, went into the local shady supplement shop and spent way to much on "corner cutters" (ostarine, GW, and LGD) that gave me the motivation to hit the lifestyle of discipline harder. Really was a good boost - although 90% mental if not 100%.