Old man tren update

[RockyP]

3 weeks into current dose finding expedition of Tren Ace. Started at 20 mg EOD, increased to 50 mg yesterday. Will not be increasing further for this run. Plan to continue until Santa arrives and then hit a health phase. Being run alongside 420 test and 350 mast per week. Also 5 mg reta and 4 iu GH, 1 grain of Armour thyroid and lots of support Supps, statin, zetia, etc. Will be pulling bloods in 7-10 days to get the full picture of the 50 mg eod dosage. Mostly curious about cystatin C and lipids.

Thus far, ZERO noticeable adverse side effects. No changes in blood pressure or sleep. No anxiety or mood changes. Night sweats maybe a 1 on a scale of 0 to 10.

The aesthetic benefits were visible within the first week and have continued. I was lean when I started so it’s pretty easy to track. Body fat continues to come off at a nice pace without me feeling like I’m killing myself (Reta is doing the heavy lifting there).

Performance wise, strength has been largely maintained, perhaps a 5% drop or so, from the beginning of this cut which was 40 lbs ago. So I’m very happy with that.

Call me naive or gullible or whatever but I actually do believe the pros from the 90s who said they only took 2-3 amps of parabolan per week. The 50 mg eod for acetate will be my ceiling. I’m sure I could push it higher but I don’t think I’d see more benefit and I’m sure I’d start encountering the side effects associated with tren.

 

[Maiandros88]

3 weeks into current dose finding expedition of Tren Ace. Started at 20 mg EOD, increased to 50 mg yesterday. Will not be increasing further for this run. Plan to continue until Santa arrives and then hit a health phase. Being run alongside 420 test and 350 mast per week. Also 5 mg reta and 4 iu GH, 1 grain of Armour thyroid and lots of support Supps, statin, zetia, etc. Will be pulling bloods in 7-10 days to get the full picture of the 50 mg eod dosage. Mostly curious about cystatin C and lipids.

Thus far, ZERO noticeable adverse side effects. No changes in blood pressure or sleep. No anxiety or mood changes. Night sweats maybe a 1 on a scale of 0 to 10.

The aesthetic benefits were visible within the first week and have continued. I was lean when I started so it’s pretty easy to track. Body fat continues to come off at a nice pace without me feeling like I’m killing myself (Reta is doing the heavy lifting there).

Performance wise, strength has been largely maintained, perhaps a 5% drop or so, from the beginning of this cut which was 40 lbs ago. So I’m very happy with that.

Call me naive or gullible or whatever but I actually do believe the pros from the 90s who said they only took 2-3 amps of parabolan per week. The 50 mg eod for acetate will be my ceiling. I’m sure I could push it higher but I don’t think I’d see more benefit and I’m sure I’d start encountering the side effects associated with tren.

Nice experiment here, I was using parabolan back in the day and it was 76mg per 1.5ml amps … to be honest here you i can’t handle more than 3 amps per week, at 150mg was starting to fuck me with asthma and bad sweats all day, so I don’t really know what was happening with the pharma grade stuff back in the day, but for sure the drugs was more effective

 

[RockyP]

Nice experiment here, I was using parabolan back in the day and it was 76mg per 1.5ml amps … to be honest here you i can’t handle more than 3 amps per week, at 150mg was starting to fuck me with asthma and bad sweats all day, so I don’t really know what was happening with the pharma grade stuff back in the day, but for sure the drugs was more effective

I’m actually going to try tren Hex 150/week next time to see if there’s any discernible difference.

 

[Maiandros88]

I’m actually going to try tren Hex 150/week next time to see if there’s any discernible difference.

I think Tren a will works better that hex or e, but give it a try and see

 

[Eddie.]

I’m actually going to try tren Hex 150/week next time to see if there’s any discernible difference.

Yeah, I regret I bought all the tren for almost a year ahead in acetate, I’d like to try hex to see what’s all that fuss.

 

[RockyP]

I think Tren a will works better that hex or e, but give it a try and see

Yes I’m just curious more than anything. And I wanted to assess tolerating acetate first. Also, for any future microdosing, say 35 mg / week, It may be preferable to have a longer ester available.

I do think that one of the reasons people attribute greater efficacy to acetate is a result of the pharmacokinetics. It hits fast and you can “feel” it / see results very quickly. It’s why drugs that cross the blood brain barrier and leave quickly are more likely to be addictive than those with longer transit times. It’s that rapid on / off. Some drugs of course do it all, like Valium. Rapid oral onset and very long half life. Just as likely to be abused as something like Xanax.

I think acetate is superior in many ways in that it gives the user a lot of room to dial things in and pull it rapidly if things to sideways.

 

[Maiandros88]

Yeah, I regret I bought all the tren for almost a year ahead in acetate, I’d like to try hex to see what’s all that fuss.

Hex is close to e, if you like e you will like Hex

 

[RockyP]

Yeah, I regret I bought all the tren for almost a year ahead in acetate, I’d like to try hex to see what’s all that fuss.

Admittedly Im just looking to experiment. Fitzwater recently said he used hex for the Olympia and Prague. Said it agreed with him more. If you don’t have issues with acetate maybe hex or enanthate isn’t worth it idk. I’m more curious than anything.

I think also for competitors in terms of logistics who are traveling / doing multiple shows using something like hex or enan may be useful to keep levels up for 10+ days after the final shot. I’m sure these guys all have connects on the ground wherever they are traveling to to compete, but it’s much easier to travel with your orals in a Tylenol bottle than with a bunch of preloaded syringes with 10 days worth of tren ace. Most guys have dropped their test and GH by then anyway so really it’s just orals and the tail end of the long acting injectables.

 

[bob357sig]

@RockyP how old are you? I’m 55 and running a little tren A experiment on myself now. I haven’t run tren in about 6 years so I was curious how it was going to effect me now. I’m 4 weeks in and the only side I have noticed was when I went from 20mg mwf to 30, acid reflux. Mostly at night and easily managed with a little omeprasole. Other than that; strength, energy and mood are all good. Im planning a cut in April with tren A and Mast P and didn’t want to jump into it head first. I don’t think I can handle going above 50mg mwf with tren A.

 

[RockyP]

@RockyP how old are you? I’m 55 and running a little tren A experiment on myself now. I haven’t run tren in about 6 years so I was curious how it was going to effect me now. I’m 4 weeks in and the only side I have noticed was when I went from 20mg mwf to 30, acid reflux. Mostly at night and easily managed with a little omeprasole. Other than that; strength, energy and mood are all good. Im planning a cut in April with tren A and Mast P and didn’t want to jump into it head first. I don’t think I can handle going above 50mg mwf with tren A.

Early 40's. I ran quite a bit of tren in my 20's but then took 15 years off from gear. I dont think there's any age restriction, though anecdotally some users find they get more sensitive to tren as they age? idk, I feel like that's very nebulous and dependent upon a myriad of non-quantifiable things.

I'm around 230 - 235 lbs now, and the 50 mg eod feels like plenty. As far as what I mean by plenty - I trained legs yesterdday for just under 2 hours. Top sets included Hack Squats 5 plates per side, Leg Press as much as it could hold, RDL's at 405, and all the usual isolation exercises with intensifiers. And I did this all on a grand total of 2100 calories. That was an unusually low day, but this kind of thing just isnt possible without tren.

The only thing I will add is that it's possible that using it alongside masteron is mitigating some side effects. I don't ever intend to run tren without mast or some other DHT, so it's a moot point for me. I think if you don't have your E2 dialed in, adding a 19-nor like tren or nandrolone is playing with fire in terms of side effects.

 

[bananafeet]

How does stanozolol suspension 50mg compare as a Preworkout Androgen vs Tren ace?

I've got some amps coming from India (stanozolol suspension, Tren ace/hex).

I like the on feeling of Tren but it's not something I want to experience for a long time lol

 

[RockyP]

How does stanozolol suspension 50mg compare as a Preworkout Androgen vs Tren ace?

I've got some amps coming from India (stanozolol suspension, Tren ace/hex).

I like the on feeling of Tren but it's not something I want to experience for a long time lol

i'd be VERY careful with Winstrol suspension, especially in water, and ESPECIALLY from india. I feel like I have a fever just thinking about it.

As far as winstrol as a preworkout, it's not something I've ever worked with. I use winstrol primarily for aesthetics, at the end of a cut. It pairs VERY well with tren, but as a pre-workout, it's not in my go-to.

 

[Maiandros88]

How does stanozolol suspension 50mg compare as a Preworkout Androgen vs Tren ace?

I've got some amps coming from India (stanozolol suspension, Tren ace/hex).

I like the on feeling of Tren but it's not something I want to experience for a long time lol

Stanozol use it only if you are 12% fat and lower … Tren will make the job if you have more fat, don’t waste and fuck your joints if you are not dry and shredded enough

 

[bob357sig]

I agree with that. Right now I’m almost finishing a 20+ week blast of 500mg test C and 600mg EQ week. I know my estrogen is low ( creeky joints). I figured I would try the Tren experiment last few weeks of this blast. In my younger days I would run 300mg a week tren A with no sides. Things definitely do effect you differently as you age.

 

[RockyP]

I agree with that. Right now I’m almost finishing a 20+ week blast of 500mg test C and 600mg EQ week. I know my estrogen is low ( creeky joints). I figured I would try the Tren experiment last few weeks of this blast. In my younger days I would run 300mg a week tren A with no sides. Things definitely do effect you differently as you age.

Yup - 100 mg acetate EOD was the norm back then - nothing wrong with that, and maybe could even tolerate it now, but not going to try.

I'm sure you've heard this from others but next go-round prob want to run that test a bit higher than the EQ, maybe even 2x the dosage.

 

[bananafeet]

i'd be VERY careful with Winstrol suspension, especially in water, and ESPECIALLY from india. I feel like I have a fever just thinking about it.

As far as winstrol as a preworkout, it's not something I've ever worked with. I use winstrol primarily for aesthetics, at the end of a cut. It pairs VERY well with tren, but as a pre-workout, it's not in my go-to.

Yeah they are evolve biolabs amps. But I might just hold off and get pharma ones (Shree Vankatesh).

Or maybe I'll throw them in the autoclave for 10 minutes lol

Ok so it's good to know it doesn't have PWO potential. Cheers

 

[RockyP]

Yeah they are evolve biolabs amps. But I might just hold off and get pharma ones (Shree Vankatesh).

Or maybe I'll throw them in the autoclave for 10 minutes lol

Ok so it's good to know it doesn't have PWO potential. Cheers

Injectable Anadrol, Dbol, TNE, Superdrol, M-Tren are where it's at if you're interested in injectable PWO.

 

[Dial It In]

3 weeks into current dose finding expedition of Tren Ace. Started at 20 mg EOD, increased to 50 mg yesterday. Will not be increasing further for this run. Plan to continue until Santa arrives and then hit a health phase. Being run alongside 420 test and 350 mast per week. Also 5 mg reta and 4 iu GH, 1 grain of Armour thyroid and lots of support Supps, statin, zetia, etc. Will be pulling bloods in 7-10 days to get the full picture of the 50 mg eod dosage. Mostly curious about cystatin C and lipids.

Thus far, ZERO noticeable adverse side effects. No changes in blood pressure or sleep. No anxiety or mood changes. Night sweats maybe a 1 on a scale of 0 to 10.

The aesthetic benefits were visible within the first week and have continued. I was lean when I started so it’s pretty easy to track. Body fat continues to come off at a nice pace without me feeling like I’m killing myself (Reta is doing the heavy lifting there).

Performance wise, strength has been largely maintained, perhaps a 5% drop or so, from the beginning of this cut which was 40 lbs ago. So I’m very happy with that.

Call me naive or gullible or whatever but I actually do believe the pros from the 90s who said they only took 2-3 amps of parabolan per week. The 50 mg eod for acetate will be my ceiling. I’m sure I could push it higher but I don’t think I’d see more benefit and I’m sure I’d start encountering the side effects associated with tren.

This old guy is getting ready to do the same. Haven’t ran tren in a few years and it was always E. Going to do a 6-8 week cycle of some ACE at 75-100 a week. I’m def curious. Have some product I know is on point also and not concerned with variances like one source always has. One thing I want dosed correct it’s tren.

 

[Cyp180]

Winstrol inject have a longer half-life compared to tabs. In my opinion that makes inject less goid as a PWO

 

[RockyP]

This old guy is getting ready to do the same. Haven’t ran tren in a few years and it was always E. Going to do a 6-8 week cycle of some ACE at 75-100 a week. I’m def curious. Have some product I know is on point also and not concerned with variances like one source always has. One thing I want dosed correct it’s tren.

Yessir I'm still having no sides from 50 mg eod of tren ace along with Mast and Test. My 20 year old self wants to push to 60 EOD but I'm going to leave well enough alone. Getting great results and pushing up would not provide any incremental gain that is worth the sides.

And yes it's pretty important to use an accurately dosed acetate prep when assessing tolerance.

Are you planning to run it with just test or also with a DHT?