I would bet that you could add a good 8-12 pounds of muscle by using HST for 2 cycles (usually 16 weeks total). Some people actually experience that during their very first cycle.
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Thnx for the link BS. I've tried a variety of routines but HST looks interesting. I think I will take your advice and give it a try. You just cost JAXON some nice pocket change.
As far as giving away my gear I was referring to friends/family. A good lawyer would easily quash a DA's attempt to charge someone with trafficking when they give 10cc of Deca, pins, and ancillaries to a neighbor. Unfortunately, possession is still illegal so a motivated DA might get a minor charge to stick.
As far as giving away my gear I was referring to friends/family. A good lawyer would easily quash a DA's attempt to charge someone with trafficking when they give 10cc of Deca, pins, and ancillaries to a neighbor. Unfortunately, possession is still illegal so a motivated DA might get a minor charge to stick.
No prob on the link. Ive done HST a number of times, as have guys like Freddy and I think Hogg has done it once or twice.
First offense would probably get you a deferred sentance or maybe a fine. It all depends on where youre at. Possession in NJ is a felony, regardless of quantity. NY is a misdemeanor unless you have so much inventory, or are near a school, etc.
First offense would probably get you a deferred sentance or maybe a fine. It all depends on where youre at. Possession in NJ is a felony, regardless of quantity. NY is a misdemeanor unless you have so much inventory, or are near a school, etc.
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People don't know you, so you don't really need a warning lable, not sure you should have talked to your lawyer about getting illeagle drugs form an internet source, however good luck as you are putting a lot on the line going this route bro.
NDK
People don't know you, so you don't really need a warning lable, not sure you should have talked to your lawyer about getting illeagle drugs form an internet source, however good luck as you are putting a lot on the line going this route bro.
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Grizzly
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You're diet will have morm effect on how much you gain(as I'm sure you know). If you don't eat too much, then you won't "blow up" regardless of your AAS usage. Keep that in mind and try any damn cycle.
Josh
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No first cycler should start with a long acting drug other than test (or frontload) because if they have a bad reaction they will have to wait for it to clear... JMO Stick to an oral in a first cycle if your gonna stack.. -JRonin_ said:
Grizzly
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What are you talking about? What kind of bad reaction are you going to have to eq anyway? On top of that, what the hell does it matter if it's the firts or 10th cycle when he first experiments with Eq and it's purported "bad effects". The clearance time is that same and if he's allergic or whatever you're alluding to(I'm blank on that one) then it will be the same end result of long clearance times.
That was just a silly, silly, silly thing to say.
Jesus, I just re-read it and it's fucking worse the second time around. Are you fucking high?
That was just a silly, silly, silly thing to say.
Jesus, I just re-read it and it's fucking worse the second time around. Are you fucking high?
demeurj said:
Well now I'm just hurt.... Okay Doc, I have to say that MOST people do want to get big and get big as quick as they can. If you want to hear the truth, I'm a firm believer in training over AAS. I believe that most people use AAS to get past poor training habbits/routines...so I don't feel that steroids should be a consideration for a lot of people (most in fact) because if you're not trying to get "dial'd" in for a contest or you're not trying to bulk up or prepare for a meet, then you probably shouldn't be messing with steroids in the first place.
Why exactly do you want to use steroids again?
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Being naughty is fun. Medical school ruined my body but I've largely recovered my younger physique in 6 months of good food, good training, and dare I say it . . . 8 whole hours of sleep at night . . . without adding three days together. Because I'm still in the Ivory Tower I use the campus gym. I love working out with the younguns . . . and the XX scenery makes my ring finger twitch.Phreezer said:
I think you provide excellent advice and I agree wholeheartedly about poor routines, diet, and lack of adequate rest are cardinal sins. Obviously, I don't need steroids but aside from professional athletes I'm not sure anybody needs steroids.
So why do I want to use steroids? After spending MANY thousands of dollars on BS like dibencozide I want to buy something that actually works. Plus since I already have a box of pins I might as well indulge the overwelming urge to stick myself in the arse.
demeurj said:
Lol.. but you still didn't answer my question... What would your goals be for a cycle...You've caught me about a third of the way through a bottle of wine. The litle woman is out of town, so I'm bored and all alone... I've got nothing better to do than surf the boards tonight.... So tell me what you most want out a cycle, and I'll do my best to help you design something to fit your needs.
Doc, have you read either of these?
1)"Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men" @ http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/281/6/E1172
2)"The Effects of Supraphysiologic Doses of Testosterone on Muscle Size and Strength in Normal Men" @ http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/335/1/1?ijkey=4f5d5a84d50f8995fae706cd0b62db0e6846b49a&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha
1)"Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men" @ http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/281/6/E1172
2)"The Effects of Supraphysiologic Doses of Testosterone on Muscle Size and Strength in Normal Men" @ http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/335/1/1?ijkey=4f5d5a84d50f8995fae706cd0b62db0e6846b49a&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha
I've really enjoyed the past 6 months of regaining muscle and strength that I lost during medical school. I believed I was plateauing so I started looking for a new supplement. I paid $60 for 60caps (100mg) of boldione from Molecular Nutrition and I would swear after emptying the bottle in 10 days (working out like a beast) and taking a week off for the holiday ALL of my lifts improved. I doubt I was overtrained b/c I had a Thanksgiving break as well.Phreezer said:
After poking around a little bit I decided to look for my ideal supplement that would give me a hard 1/2 lb or so a week. Obviously, I'm somewhat immune to information overload and bad science but the "science" of AAS doesn't really exist. The "experts" are you guys but your publications are not peer-reviewed.
Those articles were interesting reads, Rod. But the better article (NEJM) is going on 8 years. I do a little child/adolescent endocrine but they have no business doing AAS. It's hard to justify a more naturalistic study where you take normal trained guys aged 24-32 with a minimum of 8 years drug-free, weightlifting experience. Recruit enough subjects to have a minimum of 20 subjects receiving single agent cycles that vary in length from 4-12wks. It would be an expensive study but it doesn't matter b/c no IRB would ever approve such a study.
Bob had me convinced to do HST instead of a cycle but the little devil won . . . true to form a fool and his money are soon parted. Assuming my source is reliable I have a bunch of IP EQ (200mg/ml) and Winny 50mg tabs on the way. Naturally, I have Arimidex (0.25mg) and Clomid (50mg) as well. I was thinking EQ for the first cycle and if all goes well . . . maybe . . . EQ and Winny this time next year. After my PCT I'm going to HST.
Don't forget to throw some test in their Doc... Unless of course you like going months without an erection.... EQ WILL shut you down harder than a Runway SuperModel who's just spotted a millionare in the room.
And while EQ is good at improving colligen synthesis, Winstrol has been found to cause cellular necrosis in lab rodents. I don't think that can be far off for us Bigger Rat's either... I honestly believe that Winstrol is responsable for more muscle tears and serious injuries than any other TWO steroids combined...
But hey, that's just me.. It's your body and your coin. So it's your call, not mine.
Good luck,
Phreezer
And while EQ is good at improving colligen synthesis, Winstrol has been found to cause cellular necrosis in lab rodents. I don't think that can be far off for us Bigger Rat's either... I honestly believe that Winstrol is responsable for more muscle tears and serious injuries than any other TWO steroids combined...
But hey, that's just me.. It's your body and your coin. So it's your call, not mine.
Good luck,
Phreezer
Grizzly
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I second that emotion.
graybass
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Old Vet with no money wants to get HUGE!!
Alls I can say is holy shit!! It sounds like you are on your way. listen to this board, even though you are a doctor in training, you'll learn ALOT! reading this board daily, please educate your self!!! I know that in a couple of months you will be able to make much more informed choices!
Old Vet with no money whom wants to get Huge!!!!GB
Alls I can say is holy shit!! It sounds like you are on your way. listen to this board, even though you are a doctor in training, you'll learn ALOT! reading this board daily, please educate your self!!! I know that in a couple of months you will be able to make much more informed choices!
Old Vet with no money whom wants to get Huge!!!!GB
Phreezer said:
Well I'll be damned. I wanted to do Deca until I heard Deca Dick everywhere. So I switched to EQ since I didn't hear any complaints. My wife would KILL me if I cannot get wood. Well, I guess I will email my source and see if he will let me change my order. Actually, Rod provided a good article which suggests minimum levels of test necessary to sustain sexual function during chronic HPG suppression.
The Winny was free but I guess I will give it away on the classified or try to trade. Shopping for gear with some suppliers is like going to WalMart. You go in for one thing and come out with crap you NEVER intended to buy. Throughout my athletic career I've a had numerous ligament and tendon injuries so I originally planned to avoid Winny . . . but everybody and their uncle just LOVES the EQ/Winny for getting hard.
Well current stock 3x 10cc EQ, 2x 10cc Sus, 1x Deca and Winny tabs (although I probably won't use either), Arimidex, Clomid, and enough pins to run my own clinic. Off to my doctor to get baseline labs before starting my first cycle. Although I'm technically staff as a postdoctoral fellow I'm still on the crappy student health plan. Since I went to undergrad and med school here as well I've had the same doctor since 1994. He typically sees most of the male student athletes so I bet my situation will not be new.
Thnx for all the help guys.
Thnx for all the help guys.
With what youve got on hand, Id run the Sust at 500mg/wk and EQ at 400mg/wk. 6-10 weeks and youre golden. With that, you should have no problem making some nice gains, and keeping the wife happy in the sack. No need to use the deca or winny with this cycle.
Thnx for the advice, did my first sticky today. Fortunately, I have a big muscular arse leftover from my football and sprinting days. The pin was surprisingly painless but damn if my booty isn't hurting now.Bob Smith said:
I was thinking about running the Sust at 250 since I was originally planning to use it solely to keep Mr. Happy in the game. But I will take your advice. I've seen several references where bros suggest running test 100mg > than Deca or EQ. Is there any real benefit to running EQx10wks, Sustx12 compared to EQx8wks, Sustx10? Plus I've heard that 6wks of EQ is a waste.
Cheers for twice a week sticky . . . thnx for the advice. When I have time to write more I will put up nice anti-aro info I got from an MD/PhD colleague that's currently doing a fellowship in Obstetrics and Gynecology. She was dumbfounded by the amount of anti-e and anti-ar being used.
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Desibaba
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Thats the best piece of advice u can take at this point.Regardless of training,drugs or recuperation if you dont eat right u will never get to where u wanna be.Grizzly said:
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