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Wow, 3 ml ... no never had that much to shoot but then my doses are usually less than most guys. Right now my shots are 1 3/4 ml of just the items ( test and tren) and no pain to mention. I don't mind that much in my quads but I wonder what's the limit for delts ? I haven't had any problems with 1 3/4 but I'd figure you can't do much more than that in delts.

The amount might end up the same after adding enough oil to help what should be an uncomfortable shot. I'm just judging by an experience I had when first starting gear years ago ... I had test at 400 ml and that didn't tickle until someone told me how to water it down with oil. When I diluted it down to 300/ml , it was great.

 

[OhNoYo]

WOW this thread got really interesting in the last hour.

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On top of that, it is embarrassing to me cuz Idk much of what they're talking about so Idk who is right, wrong, neither, or both!

 

[OhNoYo]

well its not the BA unless somebody used some ridicuous amount-like well above 10%

they prolly dont use enough BB in their solution-or like you said have shitty powder with too much acid-that will def cause pain as you stated

i think the biggest reason though is becuase people dont use EO-its a wonderful oil-its thin as water and is a prtial solvent helping to keep the solution solved onced in the muscle depot

that is the sole reason your 2 recipes have a different pain factor-the first one has too little BB and no EO-if you gonna make high concentration gear you HAVE to use EO

i wouldnt make Test E over 300mg/ml but im very picky about my gear-i dont like pain at all-the only thing i will deal with is prop is cause unless you brew 50mg/ml its gonna be a lil painful-and i run too much test to have it dosed that low

with test E their is no reason to use half EO half grapeseed-1/4 EO and the rest grape will do

things like prop sust NPP-things that have a higher melting point-thats when more EO becomes useful-because they are harder to solve and EO is a partial solvent-and with things like these i would kick the BB to 20 instead of 15

some people odly enough have an allergic reaction to EO and it actually causes them pain-one of the mods on another board says he cant touch it

also EO is not FDA approved, their is some reasearch that suggest long term use can cause cancer-i say what doesnt cause cancer these days-as such i will continue to use it for my own research purposes

so you see-the BA really has nothing to do with the pain-draw a lil up one day and inject it-you will see-with that being said there is also no reason to go over 3% with the BA so i guess its a mute point

EXCELLENT information here, newbie23, thx! I looked up the FDA thing and already found that to b tru, but can you give reference to the EO causing cancer, Sir?

 

[newbie23]

Ethyl oleate
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Ethyl oleate

IUPAC name[hide]Ethyl (Z)-octadec-9-enoate
Other names[hide]Oleic acid ethyl ester
Identifiers
CAS number 111-62-6
PubChem 5363269
SMILES [show]CCCCCCCC\C=C/CCCCCCCC(=O)OCC
Properties
Molecular formula C20H38O2
Molar mass 310.51 g mol?1
Appearance Colorless to light yellow liquid
Density 0.87 g/cm³, liquid
Melting point -32 °C, 241 K, -26 °F

Boiling point 210 °C, 483 K, 410 °F

Solubility in water Insoluble
Except where noted otherwise, data are given for materials in their standard state (at 25 °C, 100 kPa)
Infobox references

Ethyl oleate is the ester formed by the condensation of the fatty acid oleic acid and ethanol. It is a colorless to light yellow liquid. Ethyl oleate is produced by the body during ethanol intoxication.[1]

Ethyl oleate is used as a solvent for pharmaceutical drug preparations involving lipophilic substances such as steroids.[2] It also finds use as a lubricant and a plasticizer.

Ethyl oleate is regulated as a food additive by the Food and Drug Administration under "Food Additives Permitted for Direct Addition to Food for Human Consumption", 21CFR172.515.

Ethyl oleate has been identified as a primer pheromone in honeybees.[3]

Ethyl oleate is one of the fatty acid ethyl esters (FAEE) that is formed in the body after ingestion of ethanol. There is a growing body of research literature that implicates FAEEs such as ethyl oleate as the toxic mediators of ethanol in the body (pancreas, liver, heart, and brain).[4][5][6] Among the speculations is that ethyl oleate may be the toxic mediator of alcohol in Fetal Alcohol Syndrome.[7] The oral ingestion of ethyl oleate has been carefully studied and due to rapid degradation in the digestive tract it appears safe for oral ingestion. [8] Ethyl oleate is not currently approved by the FDA for any injectable use. However, it is used by compounding pharmacies as a vehicle for intramuscular drug delivery, in some cases to prepare the daily doses of progesterone in support of pregnancy. Studies which document the safe use of ethyl oleate in pregnancy for both the mother and the fetus have never been performed.

 

[OhNoYo]

Ethyl oleate
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to:navigation, search
Ethyl oleate

IUPAC name[hide]Ethyl (Z)-octadec-9-enoate
Other names[hide]Oleic acid ethyl ester
Identifiers
CAS number 111-62-6
PubChem 5363269
SMILES [show]CCCCCCCC\C=C/CCCCCCCC(=O)OCC
Properties
Molecular formula C20H38O2
Molar mass 310.51 g mol?1
Appearance Colorless to light yellow liquid
Density 0.87 g/cm³, liquid
Melting point -32 °C, 241 K, -26 °F

Boiling point 210 °C, 483 K, 410 °F

Solubility in water Insoluble
Except where noted otherwise, data are given for materials in their standard state (at 25 °C, 100 kPa)
Infobox references

Ethyl oleate is the ester formed by the condensation of the fatty acid oleic acid and ethanol. It is a colorless to light yellow liquid. Ethyl oleate is produced by the body during ethanol intoxication.[1]

Ethyl oleate is used as a solvent for pharmaceutical drug preparations involving lipophilic substances such as steroids.[2] It also finds use as a lubricant and a plasticizer.

Ethyl oleate is regulated as a food additive by the Food and Drug Administration under "Food Additives Permitted for Direct Addition to Food for Human Consumption", 21CFR172.515.

Ethyl oleate has been identified as a primer pheromone in honeybees.[3]

Ethyl oleate is one of the fatty acid ethyl esters (FAEE) that is formed in the body after ingestion of ethanol. There is a growing body of research literature that implicates FAEEs such as ethyl oleate as the toxic mediators of ethanol in the body (pancreas, liver, heart, and brain).[4][5][6] Among the speculations is that ethyl oleate may be the toxic mediator of alcohol in Fetal Alcohol Syndrome.[7] The oral ingestion of ethyl oleate has been carefully studied and due to rapid degradation in the digestive tract it appears safe for oral ingestion. [8] Ethyl oleate is not currently approved by the FDA for any injectable use. However, it is used by compounding pharmacies as a vehicle for intramuscular drug delivery, in some cases to prepare the daily doses of progesterone in support of pregnancy. Studies which document the safe use of ethyl oleate in pregnancy for both the mother and the fetus have never been performed.

Thx, newbie23!

 

[newbie23]

no problem bro here is another good indicating why it is approved orally but not for injection

Rapid in vivo hydrolysis of fatty acid ethyl esters, toxic nonoxidative ethanol metabolites
M. Saghir, J. Werner and M. Laposata
Department of Pathology, Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston, USA.

Fatty acid ethyl esters (FAEE), esterification products of fatty acids and ethanol, are in use as fatty acid supplements, but they also have been implicated as toxic mediators of ethanol ingestion. We hypothesized that hydrolysis of orally ingested FAEE occurs in the gastrointestinal (GI) tract and in the blood to explain their apparent lack of toxicity. To study the in vivo inactivation of FAEE by hydrolysis to free fatty acids and ethanol, we assessed the hydrolysis of FAEE administered as an oil directly into the rat stomach and when injected within the core of low-density lipoprotein particles into the circulation of rats. Our studies demonstrate that FAEE are rapidly degraded to free fatty acids and ethanol in the GI tract at the level of the duodenum with limited hydrolysis in the stomach. In addition, FAEE are rapidly degraded in the circulation, with a half-life of only 58 s. Thus the degradation of FAEE in the GI tract and in the blood provides an explanation for the apparent lack of toxicity of orally ingested FAEE.

 

[OhNoYo]

no problem bro here is another good indicating why it is approved orally but not for injection

Rapid in vivo hydrolysis of fatty acid ethyl esters, toxic nonoxidative ethanol metabolites
M. Saghir, J. Werner and M. Laposata
Department of Pathology, Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston, USA.

Fatty acid ethyl esters (FAEE), esterification products of fatty acids and ethanol, are in use as fatty acid supplements, but they also have been implicated as toxic mediators of ethanol ingestion. We hypothesized that hydrolysis of orally ingested FAEE occurs in the gastrointestinal (GI) tract and in the blood to explain their apparent lack of toxicity. To study the in vivo inactivation of FAEE by hydrolysis to free fatty acids and ethanol, we assessed the hydrolysis of FAEE administered as an oil directly into the rat stomach and when injected within the core of low-density lipoprotein particles into the circulation of rats. Our studies demonstrate that FAEE are rapidly degraded to free fatty acids and ethanol in the GI tract at the level of the duodenum with limited hydrolysis in the stomach. In addition, FAEE are rapidly degraded in the circulation, with a half-life of only 58 s. Thus the degradation of FAEE in the GI tract and in the blood provides an explanation for the apparent lack of toxicity of orally ingested FAEE.

Ah, that makes PERFECT sense!

 

[Juced]

sorry newbit23 but i agree mostly with tank BUt i agree 1005 on the EO!


and also THE NEW HYDREDS DONT USE EO!
Trustme i know.
also I have used the sus4fifty blend and IT WAS PAINLESS!

and i have 5X XTR 5Hundred on the way and expect them to be also.

sorry but tank is right on the brewing points. thow i am against using EO in gear.

the hybrides :
different oils were used

two types of oils depending on the product

Myglyol 812N or Grapeseed oil.

Both of these are specially for injection and not off the shelf oils


In this case the process of production is quite amazing as in some cases more than 60% of the volume is the active so they way they produced it was cool.

They also did a lot to make them pain free – I cant assure you they will all bee be pain free at this dose but a lot was done to ensure this.
to me they have been so far.

ps. NTBM is the BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!