Need to lose fat, gain muscle!

[TrippalHealicks]

Ok, I'm goin' to GNC tomorrow to get some protein powder and I need to know which would be the best to get if I'm tryin' to lose fat and gain muscle....

I'm gonna cut myself down to a STRICT diet of nothing but protein isolate shakes (mixed w/ water), coffee, chicken breasts, tuna, and a protein bar every once in a while. That will be the basis of my meals every day. I want calories coming in from nothing but protein. Also, I'm wondering if I should add in some L-Carnitine, L-Glutamine, and/or Creatine?
What's your opinion?

I was looking at ISOPURE Zero Carb, but it has a BUTT-LOAD of Sodium in it. Definitely don't want the water retention...
I think my #1 choice right now is Optimum Nutrition's 100% Whey. Lots of protein, low carbs, and fairly low sodium, too.

What you guys think? I need answers, tomorrow morning is comin' quick! haha

 

[TrippalHealicks]

Come on, guys!

I know one of you who keeps viewing the thread must have SOMETHING to say! Somebody throw some opinions out! :-D

 

[Grizzly]

Ok, here's the smartass answer:

You need to lose fat and gain muscle and I need to make more money and work less hours.

As you can see, neither is likely to happen.

 

[Bob Smith]

And certainly not at the same time.

Trippal, you would quite likely lose weight on that diet you mentioned, but at least half of it is going to be precious muscle. Before starting your diet, read through the "Hey Bob, lets get the ball rolling" (or something close to that) thread started by Grizzly. Theres some good info in there that will help you plan out a better diet.

Also, if you are dieting, then whey isolate isnt a very good choice of proteins. A casein or casein/whey blend is your best bet.

 

[Pablo34]

hey BS

And certainly not at the same time.

Trippal, you would quite likely lose weight on that <A TITLE="Click for more information about diet" STYLE="text-decoration: none; border-bottom: medium solid green;" HREF="http://search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||diet|AA1VDw">diet</A> you mentioned, but at least half of it is going to be precious muscle. Before starting your diet, read through the "Hey Bob, lets get the ball rolling" (or something close to that) thread started by Grizzly. Theres some good info in there that will help you plan out a better diet.

Also, if you are dieting, then whey isolate isnt a very good choice of proteins. A casein or casein/whey blend is your best bet.

Hey BS,
Why is isolate not a good choice for dieting? I never knew that. I love isolate!

 

[Bob Smith]

A few things. First, protein shakes dont make anyone full. The satiety factor of shakes is small...in other words, you stay hungry. Not a good idea when dieting. Plus, casein has been shown to have better results when dieting as compared to whey. But as Lyle has stated, unless you absolutely have to, whole foods are better while dieting than shakes are.

 

[krom]

Ok, here's the smartass answer:

You need to lose fat and gain muscle and I need to make more money and work less hours.

As you can see, neither is likely to happen.

losing fat isn't rocket science, eat clean, workout, and cardio. But Grizzly your just shit out of luck lol

come to think of it, so the fuck am I

 

[Bob Smith]

If your diet and training are right, you dont need cardio. Or at least not very much.

Losing fat isnt that hard. Losing fat while preserving muscle is much more difficult.

 

[TrippalHealicks]

Well, damn... the casein info was a good pointer... although, doesn't it make sense that it is "possible" to burn fat and keep muscle at the same time? The more muscle, the more calories that will be burned per day. (RMR)

Wouldn't it make sense that if I cut my caloric intake, matched with a good bit of weight training and a lil' cardio (I hate cardio) that I would lose weight and maintain muscle at the same time? I mean, with the right diet it is quite possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time. Not lose "weight", but "fat".. Major difference. Doesn't this make sense?

 

[Bob Smith]

It makes sense, but almost never happens. I am on a diet now where Im dropping fat and adding some muscle, but part of it could be due to just returning to the gym after 2 months. Though with the way I have it set up, Id probably maintain or still add a little muscle and continue to drop fat. But most diets dont allow that to happen for many reasons.

 

[dolfe1]

Well, damn... the casein info was a good pointer... although, doesn't it make sense that it is "possible" to burn fat and keep muscle at the same time? The more muscle, the more calories that will be burned per day. (RMR)

Wouldn't it make sense that if I cut my caloric intake, matched with a good bit of weight training and a lil' cardio (I hate cardio) that I would lose weight and maintain muscle at the same time? I mean, with the right diet it is quite possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time. Not lose "weight", but "fat".. Major difference. Doesn't this make sense?

Haha, yea sure no problem, let me know what diet that is, I'll sell it we'll split the gross and be millionaires.

 

[Bob Smith]

Its already being done...www.bodyrecomposition.com Buy the Ulitmate Diet 2.0

 

[TrippalHealicks]

Its already being done...www.bodyrecomposition.com Buy the Ulitmate Diet 2.0

Well, I read a good portion of excerpts from the book, and the guy seems confident in the fact that the diet is FOR REAL and DOES WORK...

Has anyone read this book? Is the diet and exercise program this guy suggests legit? In other words, does it bring the results he claims it will? Fat loss and muscle preservation and/or gain?

 

[Bob Smith]

Lyle doesnt really claim to give any results, its not his style. I have the book, have read it twice and am using hte dieting and training program now. Im dropping fat and adding muscle, and its relatively painless. It works, plain and simple. Buy the book.

 

[dolfe1]

Lyle doesnt really claim to give any results, its not his style. I have the book, have read it twice and am using hte dieting and training program now. Im dropping fat and adding muscle, and its relatively painless. It works, plain and simple. Buy the book.

I beleive that it is possible to drop a few pounds of fat and gain a few pounds of muscle, depending on different factors, but you just can't turn from a piece of shit into a freak, you don't just loose a bunch of fat and gain a bunch of muscle it's not possible, if it were what would be the point of bulking up? It is possible to gain large quantities of muscles along with minimal fat thus reducing your bodyfat which alot of people mistake for gaining muscle and losing fat. The bodyopus might have the possibility to gain a couple of pounds of muscle and lose a little fat, I don't know about your diet Bob, didn't read it, I'll read later, other than that AAS is your best diet to accomplish the never ending battle.

 

[Bob Smith]

you don't just loose a bunch of fat and gain a bunch of muscle it's not possible,

It is possible, just not common. Im not talking about losing 30 pounds of fat and increasing an equal amount of muscle. But dropping say 20-30 pounds of fat and increasing 10 pounds of muscle is certainly possible.

if it were what would be the point of bulking up?

Bulking is a psychological relief from strict dieting. People who try to stay at 5% while adding a lot of muscle usually make miniscule gains. Some fat gain is going to accompany muscular gains if you are looking for maximal muscle mass improvements. If people cycle between say 6 and 10%, then can stay lean and add a lot of muscle without turning into a fat piece of sh*t.

The bodyopus might have the possibility to gain a couple of pounds of muscle and lose a little fat

If followed correctly, someone can lose a ton of fat. For me, muscle loss was more than what I would have liked while on BO, even though I dropped a lot of fat. Now, I do something somewhat similar where I will be able to drop just as much fat and maintain my LBM or even increase it to some degree. Im not looking to gain muscle while dieting, Ill save that for when I get down lean enough so that I can focus my efforts on adding a good 10-15 pounds of muscle by summer.

 

[TrippalHealicks]

I just really wanna lose my gut, while still being able to do my resistence/weight training, like I wanna. I do a little Cardio, but I really hate to do it, as it is insanely boring, and you just don't see the results like you do when you're training with weights.....

 

[Grizzly]

Why should dieting preclude you from weight training. Just be aware that you won't really grow or get stronger, but you can maintain what you have already.

 

[Bob Smith]

A dieting program without lifting is totally missing the boat! Just look at all the normal (read: non-lifting) Americans who diet. Just look around your office. They all say "I just lost 20 pounds." Thats great, but they still look like shit. All the did was restrict calories and walk around the block. Without the weight training, you might as well just stay fat.

 

[TrippalHealicks]

A dieting program without lifting is totally missing the boat! Just look at all the normal (read: non-lifting) Americans who diet. Just look around your office. They all say "I just lost 20 pounds." Thats great, but they still look like shit. All the did was restrict calories and walk around the block. Without the weight training, you might as well just stay fat.

Well, that makes sense.... but, I guess it changes my question. I guess I just really need to know the best way to work the gut off while still doing arms, legs, back, etc, and not a boat-load of cardio.