Navy challenges Kerry's medals.

[jbiggs]

Thursday, Sept. 2, 2004 12:08 a.m. EDT
Navy Challenging Kerry's Medals

The United States Navy is challenging the authenticity of Sen. John Kerry's Vietnam War medals, in a development that could prove to be the most damaging yet to the embattled Democrat's presidential campaign.

A Navy spokesman is calling Kerry's Silver Star citation with Combat V "incorrect" as it appears on his campaign Web site, explaining in an interview with Chicago Sun-Times reporter Thomas Lipscomb that the Navy has never issued a Combat V at any time for the Silver Star.

The Navy also is questioning the listing on Kerrys Web site of four bronze campaign stars for his service in Vietnam. The official naval record credits Kerry with just two Vietnam campaigns.
"That is sufficient for the wearing of the Vietnam Service Medal for one campaign bearing one campaign star for the additional campaign not four," reports Lipscomb in today's New York Sun.

Kerry's campaign has repeatedly cited the Navy as the ultimate authority on the candidate's war record, saying the Navy wouldn't have awarded him medals he didn't deserve.

But with the Navy now publicly challenging Kerry's decorations, that defense has been rendered inoperative.

Noting that Kerry has refused to authorize the release of his full military records, the legal watchdog group Judicial Watch called on Kerry this week to remove any questionable citations from his Web site pending a formal investigation by the Navy.

"It is to your best interest to have your record in good order," Gen. Thomas Wilkerson, the president of the U.S. Naval Institute, told Lipscomb. "If it is wrong, you are accountable. And if you use it to advance your career, it is even more important.


I found this article interesting.

 

[jbiggs]

Holey shit, how could this guy possibly have a chance against GW? Imagine if GW made up this kind of stuff and would release his records...

I remeber when Goergr O'Leary lost his coaching job at Notre Dame for padding his reseme.

 

[Neodavid]

don't you just hate shit like this... Geez. I wish they'd shut up until they had the answers. Instead they report stuff that just makes people look like asses... and that's all that's necessary during an election year.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not pro Kerry. I'd vote for Bush. But I still hate this shit.

You just know some dipshit who made his website got the wrong info, or that's what they'll say. We'll never know any real truth about this.

Thursday, Sept. 2, 2004 12:08 a.m. EDT
Navy Challenging Kerry's Medals

The United States Navy is challenging the authenticity of Sen. John Kerry's Vietnam War medals, in a development that could prove to be the most damaging yet to the embattled Democrat's presidential campaign.

A Navy spokesman is calling Kerry's Silver Star citation with Combat V "incorrect" as it appears on his campaign Web site, explaining in an interview with Chicago Sun-Times reporter Thomas Lipscomb that the Navy has never issued a Combat V at any time for the Silver Star.

The Navy also is questioning the listing on Kerrys Web site of four bronze campaign stars for his service in Vietnam. The official naval record credits Kerry with just two Vietnam campaigns.
"That is sufficient for the wearing of the Vietnam Service Medal for one campaign bearing one campaign star for the additional campaign not four," reports Lipscomb in today's New York Sun.

Kerry's campaign has repeatedly cited the Navy as the ultimate authority on the candidate's war record, saying the Navy wouldn't have awarded him medals he didn't deserve.

But with the Navy now publicly challenging Kerry's decorations, that defense has been rendered inoperative.

Noting that Kerry has refused to authorize the release of his full military records, the legal watchdog group Judicial Watch called on Kerry this week to remove any questionable citations from his Web site pending a formal investigation by the Navy.

"It is to your best interest to have your record in good order," Gen. Thomas Wilkerson, the president of the U.S. Naval Institute, told Lipscomb. "If it is wrong, you are accountable. And if you use it to advance your career, it is even more important.


I found this article interesting.

 

[jbiggs]

don't you just hate shit like this... Geez. I wish they'd shut up until they had the answers. Instead they report stuff that just makes people look like asses... and that's all that's necessary during an election year.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not pro Kerry. I'd vote for Bush. But I still hate this shit.

You just know some dipshit who made his website got the wrong info, or that's what they'll say. We'll never know any real truth about this.

Actually, the info was supplied by Kerry. He was shown in 1971 speach wearing the afore mentioned medals.

His DD214 could be wrong I guess?

 

[Neodavid]

Err... OH!

Actually, the info was supplied by Kerry. He was shown in 1971 speach wearing the afore mentioned medals.

His DD214 could be wrong I guess?

 

[gixxerboy]

I agree all this stuff is getting annoying. What about the issues that really count? Now the Navy is going to investigate his metals? Who is paying for that? Oh tax payers great.

 

[Neodavid]

in theory it would take a few keystrokes to check their database, so that shouldn't count, but lets wait to see what happens... oh the fun of politics and lies...

I agree all this stuff is getting annoying. What about the issues that really count? Now the Navy is going to investigate his metals? Who is paying for that? Oh tax payers great.

 

[AirBorne]

if Kerry wasnt lying about things, he would simply release all of his records for the world to see. Bush did it, why cant Kerry? Dems bash Bush for his service and its justice. Reps bash Kerry for his service and its an attack on a hero's patriotism?!?!?!?! WTF?!?!

bottom line in the whole fuckin election.......John F. Kerry has lied/is lying about his service therefore he is not trustworthy. If you throw in his 19 year record in the senate, then you have even more against him- most Liberal voter, likes tax raises, only present for a small percentage of votes.....hes not fit for command. period.

GWB stands alone even when it is unpopular because he believes he is doing what is right. He has taken the offensive on terror and set into place a foundation for domestic policy which he can continue to build on for the next 4 years.

 

[jbiggs]

Oh, and another of Kerry's proposed plans is to "fight a more sensitive war on terrorism."

Just had to throw that one in

With softer "spitballs"??

 

[Quasimoto]

Thursday, Sept. 2, 2004 12:08 a.m. EDT
Navy Challenging Kerry's Medals

The United States Navy is challenging the authenticity of Sen. John Kerry's Vietnam War medals, in a development that could prove to be the most damaging yet to the embattled Democrat's presidential campaign.

A Navy spokesman is calling Kerry's Silver Star citation with Combat V "incorrect" as it appears on his campaign Web site, explaining in an interview with Chicago Sun-Times reporter Thomas Lipscomb that the Navy has never issued a Combat V at any time for the Silver Star.

The Navy also is questioning the listing on Kerrys Web site of four bronze campaign stars for his service in Vietnam. The official naval record credits Kerry with just two Vietnam campaigns.
"That is sufficient for the wearing of the Vietnam Service Medal for one campaign bearing one campaign star for the additional campaign not four," reports Lipscomb in today's New York Sun.

Kerry's campaign has repeatedly cited the Navy as the ultimate authority on the candidate's war record, saying the Navy wouldn't have awarded him medals he didn't deserve.

But with the Navy now publicly challenging Kerry's decorations, that defense has been rendered inoperative.

Noting that Kerry has refused to authorize the release of his full military records, the legal watchdog group Judicial Watch called on Kerry this week to remove any questionable citations from his Web site pending a formal investigation by the Navy.

"It is to your best interest to have your record in good order," Gen. Thomas Wilkerson, the president of the U.S. Naval Institute, told Lipscomb. "If it is wrong, you are accountable. And if you use it to advance your career, it is even more important.


I found this article interesting.

JB is this one of your fake-ass news articles you are always posting ? From the onion or something ?

 

[joe shmoe]

here you go Quasi:

http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-lips27.html

something else thats interesting and related:

http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-lips28.html

have a nice day

 

[Quasimoto]

here you go Quasi:

http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-lips27.html

something else thats interesting and related:

http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-lips28.html

have a nice day

Interesting...Very interesting....he needs to release his records fully...I have always said that.

 

[joe shmoe]

i fully agree quasi. if he's so damn proud of his record in the war, you'd think he'd have it plastered all over the place.

my "cospiracy theory" about this is that since he's been/is a major player in the senate, maybe he knows people who can actually change his record in his favor. maybe thats what he stalling for. what do you think?

have a nice day

 

[jbiggs]

JB is this one of your fake-ass news articles you are always posting ? From the onion or something ?

No Quasi, not this time. He could end all this by releasing his records. Then maybe we could focus on the real issues.

 

[Quasimoto]

Especially after what he said about Cheney last night.

Well he does need to fully disclose his military record no matter what. I think there is more to it though than we are being told. I have heard rumblings that maybe he actually was in Cambodia as an intel operative and thats why his duty was extended for 3 yrs of reserve time. That COULD also account for some of the apparent mistakes with his sense of time. I dunno WTF is going on exactly..


That said, i myself had a mistake on my own dd-214 that i didnt notice until i was in my senior yr in college, it had my rank at discharge one pay grade higher than i actually was. Whether kerry edited his record to show the V or whether in was mistakenly put into his record , i'd be very interested in finding out. Keep in mind the ppl processing you for your discharge are e-2's and e-3's...typically 18-19yo's..It was a mistake widely made in the VN war era.

 

[LCSULLA]

That said, i myself had a mistake on my own dd-214 that i didnt notice until i was in my senior yr in college, it had my rank at discharge one pay grade higher than i actually was. Whether kerry edited his record to show the V or whether in was mistakenly put into his record , i'd be very interested in finding out. Keep in mind the ppl processing you for your discharge are e-2's and e-3's...typically 18-19yo's..It was a mistake widely made in the VN war era.

I agree. The military has never been known as not making processing mistakes. But he should release all his records. If there is an error then no harm, no foul. Man the hits keep on coming with Kerry. If this pace is maintaned then GW will crush Kerry in Nov. The Dems I think aren't to happy with him as thier choice. When Clinton gave his speech at the Convention, many of them relized how weak thier choice was. But even if Clinton could run (a third term) he's now in the hospital for a quadruple bypass, so he can't even help Kerry's weak ass.

 

[jbiggs]

Well he does need to fully disclose his military record no matter what. I think there is more to it though than we are being told. I have heard rumblings that maybe he actually was in Cambodia as an intel operative and thats why his duty was extended for 3 yrs of reserve time. That COULD also account for some of the apparent mistakes with his sense of time. I dunno WTF is going on exactly..


That said, i myself had a mistake on my own dd-214 that i didnt notice until i was in my senior yr in college, it had my rank at discharge one pay grade higher than i actually was. Whether kerry edited his record to show the V or whether in was mistakenly put into his record , i'd be very interested in finding out. Keep in mind the ppl processing you for your discharge are e-2's and e-3's...typically 18-19yo's..It was a mistake widely made in the VN war era.

I agree military record keeping is terrible, they make mistakes, are terribly slow, and even lose records. Could bad record keeping be an excuse for W's missing records??

That being said...even if the avy screwed up, Kerry had to have known the error by now. In the entire history of the Navy, no Silver Star has ever been awarded with "Combat V.

In 1996, Admiral Boorda committed suicide after he was accused of wearing medals he hadn't earned.

At that time, Sen. Kerry told the Boston Herald that the error was "sufficient to question his leadership position."

"If you wind up being less than what you're pretending to be, there is a major confrontation with value, self-esteem and your sense of how others view you," Kerry told the Boston Globe.

 

[Quasimoto]

I agree military record keeping is terrible, they make mistakes, are terribly slow, and even lose records. Could bad record keeping be an excuse for W's missing records??

That being said...even if the avy screwed up, Kerry had to have known the error by now. In the entire history of the Navy, no Silver Star has ever been awarded with "Combat V.

In 1996, Admiral Boorda committed suicide after he was accused of wearing medals he hadn't earned.

At that time, Sen. Kerry told the Boston Herald that the error was "sufficient to question his leadership position."

"If you wind up being less than what you're pretending to be, there is a major confrontation with value, self-esteem and your sense of how others view you," Kerry told the Boston Globe.

All you NeoCons are praying for my President Bill's full and quick recovery right ? More proof that the atkins/southbeach diets arent healthy..

 

[jbiggs]

All you NeoCons are praying for my President Bill's full and quick recovery right ? More proof that the atkins/southbeach diets arent healthy..

I never wish ill on anyone. I wish him well. Out of all the recent Dems that were either president or were running for it, he is the one I minded the least. I hated the way he handled himself socially and disagreed with him on many social issues, but he was definitely closer to being a moderate than most.

 

[Quasimoto]

I never wish ill on anyone. I wish him well. Out of all the recent Dems that were either president or were running for it, he is the one I minded the least. I hated the way he handled himself socially and disagreed with him on many social issues, but he was definitely closer to being a moderate than most.

So you admit to being a NeoCon ?