Mythbusters #1: High Dose Blends: PIP + Solubility

[DinoBB76]

I have some Test with a similar composition, Hepius SuperTest 450 from WWB:

Supertest 450mg

Testosterone Acetate 32mg
Testosterone Propionate 73mg
Testosterone PhenylPropionate 73 mg
Testosterone Cypionate 125mg
Testosterone Decanoate 147mg

Would be happy to pin some to prove a point...

I'm sure lots of other people have pinned this blend as well.
I think @Photon mentioned having some, maybe?

But why do you always look for high-dose formulations where you have to hope you don't get an abscess after an injection, and you don't walk for 10 days?

@Sampei is right, the best formulation is Test D.

You're a beginner, 1.5-2 ml per week. An advanced user can use more ml, but still less, and above all, without any pips or discomfort, like boldenone (EQ 400-500-600 mg).

 

[Banana Joe]

So one can die of liver failure?

This may seem like a foreign concept to you, but one can entertain a thought, or ask if something is possible, without immediately acting on it.
Asking such questions is a fundamental concept of science, btw.

But why do you always look for high-dose formulations where you have to hope you don't get an abscess after an injection, and you don't walk for 10 days?

Did you even read what the OP wrote?

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One of the biggest myths in this space is that high-dose blends are inherently more painful than their individual components.
This is fundamentally incorrect. Let's break down why.
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TL;DR

High-concentration blends are not inherently problematic. The issue arises when a manufacturer pushes a single compound within the blend to its absolute solubility limit, leaving no margin for error once the co-solvents diffuse away post-injection. A well-formulated, high-dose blend can be just as smooth as a low-dose, single-ester product.

You're a beginner, 1.5-2 ml per week. An advanced user can use more ml, but still less, and above all, without any pips or discomfort, like boldenone (EQ 400-500-600 mg).

What do you think is better in terms of scar tissue, and what other problems might arise from injecting high volumes of oils very frequently?
a) injection lower concentrations more often and in higher volumes
b) injecting higher, still PIP-less concentrations less often in lesser volumes

 

[Sampei]

This may seem like a foreign concept to you, but one can entertain a thought, or ask if something is possible, without immediately acting on it.
Asking such questions is a fundamental concept of science, btw.


Did you even read what the OP wrote?



What do you think is better in terms of scar tissue, and what other problems might arise from injecting high volumes of oils very frequently?
a) injection lower concentrations more often and in higher volumes
b) injecting higher, still PIP-less concentrations less often in lesser volumes

scar tissue is created by two things: size of needle frequency of injections.

You can inject test D 500mg/ml with 27G needles once or twice a week.
You can inject test C 250mg/ml with a slin pin of 29/30g daily.

I believe the scar tissue formation will be non existent with both.


on your oral question, it's not really doable, because orals on average are quite hard to make in oils, some of the orals you mentioned are easy but some of the others are a bitch, the more you concentrate those orals together the more you enter the territory of having the depot of oil and solvents gets absorbed and the raws still not and falling out of solution inside your muscle.

superdrol / anadrol / dbol can probably be mixed together easily at least sdrol and dbol but winstrol/anavar forget about it, winstrol I'm still fighting to have it pipless at 40mg/ml and I'm not sure I'll be able to.

On paper many things should work, in reality they don't work.

there is a fine line between scientific theory and practical reality

I have been working on a winstrol recipe for 2 weeks and still working on it.
The idea of mixing all those orals together is something that would probably keep me awake for nights after nights just for the possible nightmare that it will be xD

Holding something in solution is just half the issue, being able to pin it without being crippled is the other half of the problem

 

[ChemBB]

You're a beginner, 1.5-2 ml per week.

How many more decades of lifting and AAS use until I advance from "beginner", oh wisened one?

 

[ChemBB]

What do you think is better in terms of scar tissue, and what other problems might arise from injecting high volumes of oils very frequently?

Like @Sampei mentioned, scar tissue is from needle trauma.
So needle gauge and frequency are the drivers.

I can't really pin glutes anymore because I have tennis-ball size lumps of scar tissue from using 25g and pinning exclusively glutes for 10 years.

There's a palpable "crunch" when the needle goes in, and it gets "stuck" on the way out where it pulls the flesh of my glute outwards along with the needle

Do yourself a favor and stick to 27g or smaller from the get-go.

 

[Banana Joe]

Like @Sampei mentioned, scar tissue is from needle trauma.
So needle gauge and frequency are the drivers.

Yes, that was half my point. What I didn't consider is viscosity, which may force me to use bigger needles, even when the injection frequency is reduced by the longer ester.
So oil volume is irrelevant? It may not make a big difference at 1ml or 3ml, but there must be a point where the volume itself will cause additional trauma, or won't it?
If you did e7d with a Test D+U blend at high concentrations for example, your levels would still be very stable.

I can't really pin glutes anymore because I have tennis-ball size lumps of scar tissue from using 25g and pinning exclusively glutes for 10 years.
There's a palpable "crunch" when the needle goes in, and it gets "stuck" on the way out where it pulls the flesh of my glute outwards along with the needle
Do yourself a favor and stick to 27g or smaller from the get-go.

A friend of mine reports the same, luckily I haven't done many shots over the course of my life, and mostly rotate my injection sites. Now I even use the smallest needles I can get away with. I did slin needles for a bit, but am now at .4mm or .35mm.

 

[Sampei]

Yes, that was half my point. What I didn't consider is viscosity, which may force me to use bigger needles, even when the injection frequency is reduced by the longer ester.
So oil volume is irrelevant? It may not make a big difference at 1ml or 3ml, but there must be a point where the volume itself will cause additional trauma, or won't it?
If you did e7d with a Test D+U blend at high concentrations for example, your levels would still be very stable.


A friend of mine reports the same, luckily I haven't done many shots over the course of my life, and mostly rotate my injection sites. Now I even use the smallest needles I can get away with. I did slin needles for a bit, but am now at .4mm or .35mm.

Viscosity is never an issue if you want the oil and if you shoot with 1ml syringe especially you can easily use 30G if you wanna shoot 2/3ml warm the oil and use a 27G

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

scar tissue is from needle trauma.
So needle gauge and frequency are the drivers.

High inflammation and damage to the tissue is the general cause of it..

Test E created scar tissue on my left delt

 

[niqTM]

go try Primo Ace and then come back and tell me it's highly individual (on primo ACE, I agree on other substances) same with Bold Ace.

Btw your solubility talk is nice but not really true.
Try brew test P and test PP 100mg/ml each in a solution of 200mg/ml. Still haven't met someone telling me it's pipless quite the contrary but I could be mistaken, when I have TPP on hand I'll try it myself.

plus you are missing one thing, total saturation in a set volume, if it was 100% like you are saying I could brew 8 different substances all at 100mg/ml in a blend for a total of 800mg/ml.
Yeah that won't work pretty sure of it.
If it would we would see a lot more test C/E/D/P/PP/U blends offering easily 600+mg/ml pipless (if we believe your theory)

I can attest for the test-p/test-pp blend at 100/100. I have it brewed right now at 25mg/prop 25mg/pp and its my daily driver.

I brewed at 100mg total (50p/50pp) and it gave me pip. So I cut it down to 25/25.

Now, like you said, pip is highly individual. So it may just be me, my poor hygienic brewing practice, or my injection technique. Either way, I couldn't get a pipless brew until 25/25.

Now, based on OP, I don't know what the saturation limit is for test-pp. I would try brewing 25mg prop with 100mg pp (if that was the theoretical saturation point) to make a higher concentration to test this theory.