Morning vs Night HGH pin

[Ateam2023]

I pin in the am, but I also believe that as long as you get it in consistently that's all that really matters and HGH timing is basically minutia, but I've also learned that it's very individual and varies from person to person wildly. There is no "magic timing", just like there's no "magic cycle",

 

[Juicedhead]

on the genotropin pen insert it says to just eat normal and its not dependent on a fasted state.

 

[KOArtist]

Unbelievable. After it peaks, 2-3 hours later its at the half life. Thats why its fine to eat after 3 hours. How many times do I have to repeat this before you google it?

Agreed that it peaks in 2-3 and half-life point is significantly later. Whatever with whatever else, good day sir

 

[Elektrobot]

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Mean-hGH-SD-serum-concentration-vs-time-profiles-following-subcutaneous_fig1_5921969

 

[KOArtist]

I pin in the am, but I also believe that as long as you get it in consistently that's all that really matters and HGH timing is basically minutia, but I've also learned that it's very individual and varies from person to person wildly. There is no "magic timing", just like there's no "magic cycle",

Exactly! Depends on goals and what your typical habits are basically.

 

[The Answ3r]

Hello! I have terrible sleep with 4ui GH before bed. I'm considering moving them in the morning. I would appreciate it if you could advise me whether it is mandatory and if so how long after the morning pin should I not eat for full effect?

Do whatever works best for you. If taking GH before bed wrecks your sleep, just move it to the morning without overthinking it. Bad sleep will hurt you way more than slightly imperfect GH timing.

After the morning pin you can eat in 30 to 40 minutes, or even wait 2 to 3 hours if you want. In reality the difference is not big enough to stress about, especially at your level.

Honestly, GH is the cherry on top. And if we are being real, it is probably the most overrated thing I have used. Sleep, proper recovery, good food, enough water, solid training, gear, GLP-1s… and then somewhere far in the background is GH. Some people will disagree with me, and that is fine.

Run your 2 to 4iu every morning and life will be good. You might hold a bit of water, feel a little fuller, maybe see a slight bump in blood pressure or heart rate, or get a mild headache. I have been through all of that.

I did not notice a massive difference on GH versus off GH. If anything, I actually felt leaner and better without it. That said, I am still using it now mostly so it does not just sit uselessly in my fridge.

 

[Trendog]

Agreed that it peaks in 2-3 and half-life point is significantly later. Whatever with whatever else, good day sir

Ive been saying that for the past 2 days… whatever atleast we agree

 

[Trendog]

Agreed that it peaks in 2-3 and half-life point is significantly later. Whatever with whatever else, good day sir

Im actually new on meso and just wanted to know how I can gain access on larger threads? Almost 2 weeks now and I have info on some vendors

 

[Ivan221106]

what’s wrong why can’t you sleep on it?

as far as timing goes, imo it’s preference.
(of course also nutrient timing / schedule)

Do whatever works best for you. If taking GH before bed wrecks your sleep, just move it to the morning without overthinking it. Bad sleep will hurt you way more than slightly imperfect GH timing.

After the morning pin you can eat in 30 to 40 minutes, or even wait 2 to 3 hours if you want. In reality the difference is not big enough to stress about, especially at your level.

Honestly, GH is the cherry on top. And if we are being real, it is probably the most overrated thing I have used. Sleep, proper recovery, good food, enough water, solid training, gear, GLP-1s… and then somewhere far in the background is GH. Some people will disagree with me, and that is fine.

Run your 2 to 4iu every morning and life will be good. You might hold a bit of water, feel a little fuller, maybe see a slight bump in blood pressure or heart rate, or get a mild headache. I have been through all of that.

I did not notice a massive difference on GH versus off GH. If anything, I actually felt leaner and better without it. That said, I am still using it now mostly so it does not just sit uselessly in my fridge.

Thanks

 

[Evolve74]

Im actually new on meso and just wanted to know how I can gain access on larger threads? Almost 2 weeks now and I have info on some vendors

same as far as vendor info that could be shared. Not sure how long or how many post unlocks access though.

 

[Juicedhead]

Do whatever works best for you. If taking GH before bed wrecks your sleep, just move it to the morning without overthinking it. Bad sleep will hurt you way more than slightly imperfect GH timing.

After the morning pin you can eat in 30 to 40 minutes, or even wait 2 to 3 hours if you want. In reality the difference is not big enough to stress about, especially at your level.

Honestly, GH is the cherry on top. And if we are being real, it is probably the most overrated thing I have used. Sleep, proper recovery, good food, enough water, solid training, gear, GLP-1s… and then somewhere far in the background is GH. Some people will disagree with me, and that is fine.

Run your 2 to 4iu every morning and life will be good. You might hold a bit of water, feel a little fuller, maybe see a slight bump in blood pressure or heart rate, or get a mild headache. I have been through all of that.

I did not notice a massive difference on GH versus off GH. If anything, I actually felt leaner and better without it. That said, I am still using it now mostly so it does not just sit uselessly in my fridge.

This is crazy to me. GH is my number 2 after test. Gh has changed my body more than anything.

 

[Ivan221106]

This is crazy to me. GH is my number 2 after test. Gh has changed my body more than anything.

How much IU you pinning?

 

[The Answ3r]

This is crazy to me. GH is my number 2 after test. Gh has changed my body more than anything.

I get where you’re coming from and I’m not disagreeing with you. I just didn’t notice anything truly dramatic from GH personally, and that’s coming from someone who is actually very responsive to it. At 2iu my IGF was around 455, and at 4iu it went up to 760+, so it’s definitely doing something on paper.

Maybe it’s just a matter of time. My first run was about 8 months, then I took a 3 month break and now I’m back on it again. If you’re seeing that kind of transformation from GH, honestly that’s awesome.

 

[KOArtist]

I get where you’re coming from and I’m not disagreeing with you. I just didn’t notice anything truly dramatic from GH personally, and that’s coming from someone who is actually very responsive to it. At 2iu my IGF was around 455, and at 4iu it went up to 760+, so it’s definitely doing something on paper.

Maybe it’s just a matter of time. My first run was about 8 months, then I took a 3 month break and now I’m back on it again. If you’re seeing that kind of transformation from GH, honestly that’s awesome.

Damn, that’s definitely acromegaly level IGF!

 

[Cyp180]

Hello! I have terrible sleep with 4ui GH before bed. I'm considering moving them in the morning. I would appreciate it if you could advise me whether it is mandatory and if so how long after the morning pin should I not eat for full effect?

Why bother, just do morning inject and do not care about when you eat !

 

[Ivan221106]

Why bother, just do morning inject and do not care about when you eat !

I will try a few nights pm pin and sleep don’t fix I will start in mornings.

 

[beorn777]

I get where you’re coming from and I’m not disagreeing with you. I just didn’t notice anything truly dramatic from GH personally, and that’s coming from someone who is actually very responsive to it. At 2iu my IGF was around 455, and at 4iu it went up to 760+, so it’s definitely doing something on paper.

Maybe it’s just a matter of time. My first run was about 8 months, then I took a 3 month break and now I’m back on it again. If you’re seeing that kind of transformation from GH, honestly that’s awesome.

You seem to have an insane response to small amounts but I thought the same as you and considered just scrapping it until I didn't want to waste some when I was travelling and took 10 units for a few days and god damn the pumps and fullness and recomp effect was insane. You might just need more but it's probably person dependant and age response etc but for me I get crazy benefits at higher amounts and feel nothing at the lower amounts.

 

[beorn777]

I will try a few nights pm pin and sleep don’t fix I will start in mornings.

It doesn't really matter when you eat when it's exongenous growth hormone, it might raise your blood sugars a bit but if you want the fat loss benefits you can just take your shot in the middle of the night when you wake up to pee instead of before bed if you normally wake up around the same time every night.

The most important thing with GH is you take it, tons of guys taking it at all sorts of times and doses and they're all huge. I like all before bed personally so I avoid the lethargy I get with higher amounts during the day, I run around 10-15 UI though.

 

[keepbashing]

Here's the thing you gotta understand.

HGH and Insulin compete for the same receptors.

In our natural state, when Insulin increases, GH production decreases, and the insulin can bind to the receptors to do what it needs to do.

When we use exogenous HGH, our body can't decrease it. It's there. We shot it directly in with a needle. There is no taking it back. So our body can not decrease the GH to let the insulin bind to the receptors.

HGH prevents insulin from doing its job, which creates....... insulin resistance- and chronically high blood sugar IF you are eating after taking HGH.

It is incorrect to say that somatotropin and insulin act on the same receptor. They are not even the same type of receptor. Somatotropin acts on a cytokine receptor, whereas insulin acts on a tyrosine kinase receptor. However, in the presence of insulin, the natural pulsatile secretion of somatotropin is inhibited. This is why fasting has a short-term positive effect on somatotropin secretion, provided that sufficient somatotropin has been produced and stored in the adenohypophysis.

The simultaneous presence of insulin and (exogenous) somatotropin does not reduce the effect of either hormone at their respective receptors. This combination as well as administering somatotropin in a fasted state is only relevant if one wants to benefit from the release of fatty acids. Thus, if the goal is to reduce body fat, one can observe a fasting period of several hours after administering somatotropin and combine this with endurance training.

At higher doses of somatotropin, rising blood glucose levels and, in the medium term, insulin resistance can also play a role. But that goes beyond the scope here.

If the primary goal is maximal muscle growth, the combination of somatotropin and insulin can be useful.

Half life of hgh is ~2/3 hours. Recommend fasting as eating will diminish the effect of hgh. High blood sugar negatively affects hgh

That is also not correct. The reason why is explained above. Only the beta-oxidation of the released fatty acids is no longer possible in that case.

 

[5TheNegative]

I take mine in the morning. When my schedule allows me to hit the gym in the AM, my fasted cardio is actually way easier.

YMMV