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Kralteramon

Kralteramon

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Hi guys,

I'm gearing up my physique for my first show next year. Just finished my blast & bulk phase now moving into cruise since 2 weeks. I want to obviously recover my health markers a bit but more importantly lose some fat with the least muscle loss as possible. So I decided to add in 100mgs of tren e (on top of 250mgs of test + 3iu gh) for the coming 8 weeks on a pretty steep deficit. My reasoning is that it's the best compound to recomp and keep my gains. If I keep the dose low I would not experience that many sides. I'm two weeks in and definetely feel that my lifts are suddenly going up pretty dramatically (in a deficit). No mental sides yet just a bit more energy I'd say. My health markers peak blast on 1g of gear combined were good accept lipids and hematocrit (54).

What do you guys think? Am I a retard or is my reasoning acceptable for the goal that I have. I know I left quite a lot of variables out and just focussing on the drugs but that's the angle I want to discuss. Anybody else here who's done smth similar in the past?
 
This would really be classed as a cut cycle in my (everyones?) opinion. The cruise phase is supposed to be where you bring your bloods back in order, which adding the tren wont help with. Probably make the lipids situation worse.

What were you lipids looking like exactly? Hopefully you aren't planning on going straight back into a bulk cycle at the end of the 8 weeks.

I dont think its entirely unreasonable to have a cut cycle coming straight off a blast (I've done it..) but as long as you keep an eye on bloods regularly and actually cruise afterwards you can minimise the damage done.
 
Stubb said:
This would really be classed as a cut cycle in my (everyones?) opinion. The cruise phase is supposed to be where you bring your bloods back in order, which adding the tren wont help with. Probably make the lipids situation worse.

What were you lipids looking like exactly? Hopefully you aren't planning on going straight back into a bulk cycle at the end of the 8 weeks.

I dont think its entirely unreasonable to have a cut cycle coming straight off a blast (I've done it..) but as long as you keep an eye on bloods regularly and actually cruise afterwards you can minimise the damage done.
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You might be right, I will probably just cut out the tren and then cruise 6-8 weeks after this cutting phase. Might as well up the tren a bit in that case.

Regarding Lipids (I have chronic lowish HDL):
Chronic low HDL but good LDL (need advice)
 
I would think if you wanna do a cruise with tren you keep it lower like 35mg/week so 5mg ED. Even then you still notice the Tren being tren. I tried it for the hell of it for 2-3 weeks once and I still noticed more labored breathing and less cardio capacity. Only occasionally sweat the bed but not every night.
You would have to do labs pre and post to see if your health improved at all though since that's the whole point of a cruise. If I was actually trying to cruise and improve blood markers but was concerned about size loss I might just do trt test, deca at around 100mg, maybe pop a small amount of an oral on occasion pre-workout if I think Ill need it. It's not a true cruise though and would not give the same outcome as one. But trt clinics are more than happy to prescribe test/deca/var for life so it can't be that bad on bloodwork for the majority

What you are describing is a recomp cycle and not a cruise which is fine if that's what you are going for.
 
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Thanks guys. @silversurfer1992 I am actually on a GLP (Tirz) to keep my food intake in check. @xrayphoton13, thanks for the advise. Might try a really low dose (like you said) next round. For now I'm going to consider it a recomp. I've actually blasted for 16 weeks prior to this. Going to extend to 22 weeks and then cruise and maintain for a while. Anyhow I'm doing bloodwork periodically so I'll know if anything improved with 100mgs of Tren + 250mgs of test vs being on a gram+. By the way I have not blasted a gram+ the entire 16 weeks but titrated up. I noticed that the higher doses didn't even bring me that much more net gains, just a lot more fatigue.
 
Kralteramon said:
Thanks guys. @silversurfer1992 I am actually on a GLP (Tirz) to keep my food intake in check. @xrayphoton13, thanks for the advise. Might try a really low dose (like you said) next round. For now I'm going to consider it a recomp. I've actually blasted for 16 weeks prior to this. Going to extend to 22 weeks and then cruise and maintain for a while. Anyhow I'm doing bloodwork periodically so I'll know if anything improved with 100mgs of Tren + 250mgs of test vs being on a gram+. By the way I have not blasted a gram+ the entire 16 weeks but titrated up. I noticed that the higher doses didn't even bring me that much more net gains, just a lot more fatigue.
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Tren is generally pretty rough on lipids. 250mg of test is plenty. I just cruised on 200 test p 100 mast p, but after this blast I'm gonna drop down to just test.
 
Currently doing the same thing as yourself. I'm running 150 mg test e, 50 mg primo, and 55 mg tren a per week. Lipids are improving but slower than if I had just done my trt dose solo. I'm also taking a crestor and zetia to help the cause. We'll see if it continues when I do labs again in a few weeks.
 
You might not know, but there’s an IFBB Pro from Russia named Denis Gusev. I remember him talking on a podcast about how his TRT protocol was just 0.5cc per week of Sustanon and Trenbolone.

He didn’t mention the exact dosage in milligrams, but said he felt completely calm on it - no aggression or side effects at all. A lot of people criticized him for that, but at the end of the day, he’s a pro who makes his living in the sport, so it made sense for him.

Maybe it could work well for you too - always worth seeing how your own body responds.
 
Good insights thanks. I'm now 3.5 weeks into this protocol and I feel great. No sleep disturbances or agression, no sweats. Based on feels this is a great cutting & cruising stack. Also looking awesome in the mirror. Fat is flying off. Let's see what my bloodwork will say in a few weeks. I'm counting on trashed lipids still but who knows. It might be acceptable in the context of reaching stage weight in a few years. Need to think about it.
 
Kralteramon said:
Good insights thanks. I'm now 3.5 weeks into this protocol and I feel great. No sleep disturbances or agression, no sweats. Based on feels this is a great cutting & cruising stack. Also looking awesome in the mirror. Fat is flying off. Let's see what my bloodwork will say in a few weeks. I'm counting on trashed lipids still but who knows. It might be acceptable in the context of reaching stage weight in a few years. Need to think about it.
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Im curious to see what your lipids do cause I just did a cut and felt really flat through it all. Maybe something like this might work also.
 
CorgisOnTren said:
I mean I don’t really see it likely causing any issues at such a low dose, but I also don’t really see the point.
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I noticed a significant appearance difference between 500 test, 500 test 35mg tren, and 500 test 200 deca. I was actually really surprised myself that such a small amount of tren seemed to do so much in the mirror. Really made my front delts pop. The deca did as well but the veins stopped popping out at all times of the day. Probably holding more water with test/deca
 
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