Bandern
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I do drugs and then I eat food and then I get big and strong
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Lean Bulking on AAS/fat gain and nutrient partitioning
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Deadpool99
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Simple yet effective. I know idiots who weigh their food and worry about calories, can you imagine.
wells14
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Why do you think that is?
It's a good question, and there really isn't an answer as there's little literature on AAS. In theory you'd be okay with less protein and a smaller or even no surplus. How much more nutrients with a larger surplus you are able to utilize on AAS, though, is a total guess. Nearly all variables that are affected by steroids are not fully understood.
Also, once steroids are introduced, sleep, training, macros, etc. reduce to a very small fraction of the equation. Not that you shouldn't have them in check, but they're unlikely greatly influence steroidal potentiation or lack thereof.
This is quite individual I would say. I’ve been aiming for 0.25kg per week increase and that’s been working well for me. Previously I have gained a lot faster and just ended up getting fat. This time I’ve still got abs 6 weeks in to the bulk, usually by the end of the second week I’d have rolls on my stomach. This is the first time doing this by myself though, and I have a few different experiences to draw from now, so I know what works for me.
What?
Liter O' Test
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get off this board you werido natural
wells14
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Someone should inform all the Olympia competitors they don't actually have to eat all that food because steroids just conjure up slabs of tissue out of thin air.
Bandern
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Start a log where you take a bunch of steroids and go on a diet of pudding and crack smoke
IndividualMan
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.5% of toal bw per week, 1 or more % if you dont care about being a sloppy sack of shit (or you have the money for the HIV HGH protocol of 18IUs/day)
sionnach
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I'm down. I love pudding.
You have to time your insulin signaling. Insulin tells your body to store excess blood glucose beyond what's necessary for normal function and glycogen replenishment as fat.
eery
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People really overestimate how much of a surplus you really neeed to gain muscle, not a bunch of additional fat.
You also have to think about how consistent your energy expenditure is, does everyday look the same for you? sure, 100-150kcal surplus could be perfect.
Do you have huge fluctuations in expenditure? then a 100-150kcal surplus might not work as well as you'd be in bigger surplus or deficit than what you intended to be due to the activity increase/decrease.
I would generally stick to 200-300kcal for most people and adjust from there depending on how the gym performance, visuals/mirror and weight is trending.
as enhanced athletes, i dont think you need to obsess over seeing the scale move weekly either, you dont gain that much lean muscle in a single week and if you do, congratulations you are a genetic mutant.
is your gym performance trending up? is your scale slowly trending up over weeks/months and you see improvements? i would keep going with this until you notice things are going slower, stalling or you feel like you arent recovering as well in some way.
You most likely are never going to see the same gains as your first cycle where you hyperresponded and kinda blew up from natural to enhanced.
You also have to think about how consistent your energy expenditure is, does everyday look the same for you? sure, 100-150kcal surplus could be perfect.
Do you have huge fluctuations in expenditure? then a 100-150kcal surplus might not work as well as you'd be in bigger surplus or deficit than what you intended to be due to the activity increase/decrease.
I would generally stick to 200-300kcal for most people and adjust from there depending on how the gym performance, visuals/mirror and weight is trending.
as enhanced athletes, i dont think you need to obsess over seeing the scale move weekly either, you dont gain that much lean muscle in a single week and if you do, congratulations you are a genetic mutant.
is your gym performance trending up? is your scale slowly trending up over weeks/months and you see improvements? i would keep going with this until you notice things are going slower, stalling or you feel like you arent recovering as well in some way.
You most likely are never going to see the same gains as your first cycle where you hyperresponded and kinda blew up from natural to enhanced.
eery
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sionnach
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It all means the same shit. Next time I'll go with "You're a fat dumb fuck and you eat like a 3yo on Halloween." I forgot I was on Meso.
wells14
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There's nothing wrong with gaining some fat. I'm not talking unsightly levels of fat. I maintain somewhat defined abs while in a surplus but the notion of trying to stay shredded all year while in a surplus is silly to me.
I don't want to speak for him but from what he wrote he was saying that a 200 to 300 calom surplus is good for most people. And not to get obsessed over the scale having to move up every single week.
I'm trying this method with my bulk that just started. Last year's bulk I focused on a 1lb scale gain every week and ended up a little softer than I needed to, not bad just a little extra fat. In 22 weeks I put on 30lbs. I would have been better off holding cals some weeks instead of pushing them up just to see that scale go up a lb.
How big of a surplus do you aim for?
Bandern
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Insulin sensitivity? Pretty sure sensitivity is a female trait
eery
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theres absolutely no positive effects and only detrimental health and metabolic impacts of gaining more bodyfat than what you need to function optimally.
Im talking about maintaining a healthy bodyfat level where one can function, perform but also look good, not contest lean or to the point where you are food obsessed and having negative physical and mental effects from it.
Eddie.
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Exactly. It was off season and cutting for decades, now people suddenly think they're gonna add 20kg of lean muscle tissue over 5-10 years with 200kcal surplas a day.
Of course, you can only put a certain amount of tissue over a certain timeframe, but why always leave gains in the table in order to look always lean instead of pushing the surplas higher and be 100% sure you're getting the most out of it and gain some extra fat which you can easily get rid off by doing a simple cutting phase?
The problem with "bulking" is when people start already too fat. If you start the off season at 15% like MANY guys do and add some muscle mass and lets say 8% of bodyfat you'll be a chubby 23% bf. If you start at 7% bodyfat and add a serious amount of muscle mass (greater than the first guy since insulin sensitivity and nutrient partinioning are way better now) and add 5-7% bodyfat you'll look like a god.
I doubt i'll ever do a slight surplas off season because simply i like variety and having progress, i like eating much, hitting 5K on off season, be disgusted by food and not too pleased with the physique and then set a new goal to start unveiling the gains i made in the off season.
Doing the same thing everyday, every week and every month and waiting for the gains to come by just eating 70gr of rice more i'd be bored to death, it feels like a chore lol.
eery
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my point is, you arent leaving gains on the table, just gaining additional fat that you need to diet off wasting time you could have spent better making gains in a small surplus.
Maybe im biased by my own experiences as higher and more agressive gain rates or calorie surplusses have just left me fatter with subpar gains vs a slower rate of gain/surplus
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