Kimera Trest E has undisclosed EO

[bigdaddyandfriends]

I bought a couple vials too.

I tend to believe them on this, have never heard of trestolone in any ester using EO.

Do you have a known sensitivity to EO? I have used product with it before and it did not elevate hs-CRP or cause other issues that I could tell. Agree its best avoided.

Also not sure that AI bit about trestolone being scheduled is correct. I’ve gotten surprisingly bad info from AI - including that 7α-methylestradiol was a selective ERη agonist which is absolutely incorrect. As far as I know trestolone is still considered a research chem thus why it was openly sold online. Although one major supplier recently shut down and reopened as a new entity without any trestolone products, and another quietly removed it from their offerings at about the same time. Kinema is only major SARM/research chem company that still offers it in USA, that I’m aware of.

I just got a couple vials of trest ace from OEP Labs here which I know will be perfect.

 

[Type-IIx]

I bought a couple vials too.

I tend to believe them on this, have never heard of trestolone in any ester using EO.

Do you have a known sensitivity to EO? I have used product with it before and it did not elevate hs-CRP or cause other issues that I could tell. Agree its best avoided.

Also not sure that AI bit about trestolone being scheduled is correct. I’ve gotten surprisingly bad info from AI - including that 7α-methylestradiol was a selective ERη agonist which is absolutely incorrect. As far as I know trestolone is still considered a research chem thus why it was openly sold online. Although one major supplier recently shut down and reopened as a new entity without any trestolone products, and another quietly removed it from their offerings at about the same time. Kinema is only major SARM/research chem company that still offers it in USA, that I’m aware of.

I just got a couple vials of trest ace from OEP Labs here which I know will be perfect.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/4771

You’d have to be wildly arrogant, IMO, to believe you’re gonna “beat this case” by arguing MENT is an exception to the Designer Steroid Act as a progestin and not intended for use to promote muscle growth or a testosterone-like pharmacological effect considering… you’re shipping it around in multi-use injection vials! They’re gonna take everything into account here and it’d be laughed outta court, of course.

Expensive headache at best.

MENT’s Schedule III for sure… grey market risk takers notwithstanding!

I appreciate that more people have good experiences with these sorts of characters than not when things go smoothly but I don’t really think a preference to avoid EO needs to be justified with bloodwork, either.

 

[bigdaddyandfriends]

I agree

I thought it might have skated that act as it was only investigated for birth control rather than physique enhancement. And that is how/why research chem places were able to openly sell it.

I certainly would not ship it back either.

My preference is not to use EO either, but it does not seem as universally toxic as say guaiacol. There is probably EO in a lot of Chinese oils that are prone to crashing (ie TE300/400).

I’ve yet to see a trestolone vial crash, but doesn’t mean it cannot happen.

Btw @Type-IIx your content is amazing. Your post on trestolone is extremely informative. I actually consider it closer to 2x the estrogenic potency of testosterone on a mg per mg basis, based on the aromatization rate that you interpolated from nandrolone, the 102% binding affinity to ER, the 4x trans activation of ERα in a hormone resistant breast CA cell line, and the 7α-methylation blocking binding to SHBG (androgen and its aromatization product).

Also as you know, being a weak ligand for aromatize compared to testosterone, a non-competitive AI ie Aromasin is needed to efficiently reduce aromatization of MENT particularly when used alongside testosterone.

It can be an amazing compound when all this is understood. Or a disaster when it’s not.

 

[Type-IIx]

I agree

I thought it might have skated that act as it was only investigated for birth control rather than physique enhancement. And that is how/why research chem places were able to openly sell it.

I certainly would not ship it back either.

My preference is not to use EO either, but it does not seem as universally toxic as say guaiacol. There is probably EO in a lot of Chinese oils that are prone to crashing (ie TE300/400).

I’ve yet to see a trestolone vial crash, but doesn’t mean it cannot happen.

Btw @Type-IIx your content is amazing. Your post on trestolone is extremely informative. I actually consider it closer to 2x the estrogenic potency of testosterone on a mg per mg basis, based on the aromatization rate that you interpolated from nandrolone, the 102% binding affinity to ER, the 4x trans activation of ERα in a hormone resistant breast CA cell line, and the 7α-methylation blocking binding to SHBG (androgen and its aromatization product).

Also as you know, being a weak ligand for aromatize compared to testosterone, a non-competitive AI ie Aromasin is needed to efficiently reduce aromatization of MENT particularly when used alongside testosterone.

It can be an amazing compound when all this is understood. Or a disaster when it’s not.

Thanks for the kind words bro. There’s individuality to these things of course, as always, and it can be striking. Just the data I was just looking at for the per-AAS suppressive effects article I just submitted to Millard shows that per-mg it’s about 50:4 so 15x more suppressive of endogenous T and spermatogenesis than T.

These sorts of proportions are based on inference though, and inferences drawn from a mean value of participants using 4 mg pellets does not necessarily describe a bodybuilder blasting 25 mg or perhaps more, exactly. But it’s good enough for government work at the lower doses, is true – and also, is useful to know to boot! You’ve just always got to adjust, but you have that reference point at least.

 

[Type-IIx]

P.S., I handle EO well too. No issue, love me some TNE! We both know what one another’s points are. I was gonna say too, it’s good for ya to weigh my criticism of MENT, it’ll keep you using it more wisely and with trepidation when you separate the facts out from my (albeit informed) opinion on it. Facts are in articles, but some opinion bleeds into forum posts, naturally. Posts are more sounding-boards for me in a way

 

[PiscesMoon]

It’s probably a virtual office, they number in the thousands in some cities, but there might be advantageous terms in WY, that sort of thing. Some drum up business online better than others, etc. The scammers were probably based overseas I’d guess. The landscape is constantly evolving and shifting, probably unrelated to these particular malfeasors.

Oh yeah lol it's definitely a virtual office. One of the Wyoming business classiques "iykyk"

Just found it a bit telling compared to most other popular/trusted Nootropics vendors, at least from a few years back. Where listing a genuine and researchable business address relevant to their location is the norm.

 

[bigdaddyandfriends]

P.S., I handle EO well too. No issue, love me some TNE! We both know what one another’s points are. I was gonna say too, it’s good for ya to weigh my criticism of MENT, it’ll keep you using it more wisely and with trepidation when you separate the facts out from my (albeit informed) opinion on it. Facts are in articles, but some opinion bleeds into forum posts, naturally. Posts are more sounding-boards for me in a way

TNE is indeed great indeed. I’m using one w/o EO or guaiacol, but it crashes constantly at room temp. Mug warmer handles it fine, but still a nuisance and I can see why most sources wouldn’t sell it - they understandably don’t want customers seeing a crashed vial and demanding a refund.

 

[Type-IIx]

Oh yeah lol it's definitely a virtual office. One of the Wyoming business classiques "iykyk"

Just found it a bit telling compared to most other popular/trusted Nootropics vendors, at least from a few years back. Where listing a genuine and researchable business address relevant to their location is the norm.

What’s the deal with nootropics bro? Quick story, I read a bit about them and decided I felt confident enough about the risk profile of phenylpiracetam to try it. I dosed up to the recommended serving, two scoops using a 50 mg spoon.

The severe chest pain that I experienced was no joke bro, I thought I was going to end up in heart failure for 3 going on 4 days. I just got over it, couldn’t train or anything. Headaches.

That’s a fuckin DRUG

 

[Type-IIx]

What’s the deal with nootropics bro? Quick story, I read a bit about them and decided I felt confident enough about the risk profile of phenylpiracetam to try it. I dosed up to the recommended serving, two scoops using a 50 mg spoon.

The severe chest pain that I experienced was no joke bro, I thought I was going to end up in heart failure for 3 going on 4 days. I just got over it, couldn’t train or anything. Headaches.

That’s a fuckin DRUG

It’s worth mentioning that – and in hindsight it was the motivation for my trying it – the East Germans, the GDR, in the 60s thru 88, experimented with it for performance in their power athletes. I was reading about it as part of the article about suppressive effects by AAS

 

[PiscesMoon]

Absolutely I'm willing to do that, they just don't seem to have any interest in reimbursement as they totally avoided the question, and I didn't mention the amount or whether it would be a sealed vial or not, and they came back at me saying it's I interesting that I'm willing to ship to Janoshik but not back to them.

Their attitude is... interesting.

Have you read their FAQ page, btw?




"Compliance & Legality

Are your products legal in my state or region?

We recommend that all customers research local laws before placing an order. We do not make legal determinations for any state or area and are not responsible for state specific compliance."

I read through all the points yesterday and pretty sure they make no mention of having to send items back in reference to refunds. Just vague language about needing to contact them in a certain amount of time and case by case basis.

 

[Gonz0]

“lol jeez bro we have no clue what solvents are in here , just like send it back and we’ll reimburse you maybe… I guess”

 

[AllGoodThings]

In my last email to them 2 days ago, I offered to take a clear HD vid of myself smashing the vials in exchange for a refund. They've decided to completely ignore me now. What a bunch of clowns. Between them being incompetent, and SSA getting shut down, I'm out over 1K. Could have been worse, but these guys really pissed me off with their attitude.

 

[Photon]

In my last email to them 2 days ago, I offered to take a clear HD vid of myself smashing the vials in exchange for a refund. They've decided to completely ignore me now. What a bunch of clowns. Between them being incompetent, and SSA getting shut down, I'm out over 1K. Could have been worse, but these guys really pissed me off with their attitude.

What happens on Meso is unfortunately not the norm anywhere else. Even AA nvr tested their Trest despite selling..for years..

 

[bigdaddyandfriends]

AA actually did start posting some Jano testing of trestolone and a bunch of other products towards the end, I think it was only decanoate and acetate though. I remember seeing acetate being just under 50mg/ml. The decanoate was significantly underdosed ~ 128mg/ml although still a good value at the price they were charging.

AA, Kimera, and Strate all used the same Chinese suppliers for their trestolone - they did not brew it themselves. AA/Strate used tall vials, kimera has short/fat vials so possibly two different sources. Although I’m sure when buying in quantity you can get any vial with custom labeling.

Not defending Kimera’a behavior, but I do doubt there is EO in the trestolone, only because there is just no reason to use it. If you rub some oil the outside of a syringe see if it takes the black markings/paint off - if not then it is very unlikely to contain any EO. EO will dissolve paint, while McT will not.

Only other source I know of that sells trest E currently is ZPHC, it’s expensive buying from an authorized domestic reseller but cheap if you get it from ZPHC store. There is fake ZPHC on the market so need to be careful buying it.

I’m pretty resigned to just using trestolone acetate going forward, I split the dose into two daily injections and have accumulated a decent supply. Some say acetate is fine once a day or even every other day and it probably is, but trestolone has an extremely short serum life as there is no capacitative SHBG binding.