Jardiance question

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Quick question for those that have used Jardiance. Got some coming from India, but in the meantime my doc gave me a script for 10mg "Expensive as shit even with insurance, but that is a whole other topic." Anyway it is being used primarily for kidney and heart health vs glucose issues.

Have some test strips that I use a few times a month for some time now just to make sure nothing is really odd. Did it a couple days after starting the Jardiance and as expected, the glucose marker lit up as expected and it never registered at all before. What surprised me though is the ketones marker lit up as well, which it never did before either. Anyone else have this happen? Everything else on the test strip was about the same as normal.
 
I know it is crazy. My doc granted gave me a 90 day supply which Amazon pharmacy was the best price. Without insurance, I was looking at about almost $1800. Insurance knocked it down to a little over $600 but still fuck!

I put it the Jardiance copay card, but the price stayed the same. I may have filled out the card too soon and it didn't have time to register in their system or they may just not with the particular insurance I have take it. I will know again once the script is up. In the meantime, I do have some Indian pharmacy coming over for the future. Best deal is to get the 25mg tabs and cut them which is 12.5 vs 10 but close enough.
I had 200 25mg pills delivered today. I went with the name brand Jardiance and not generic. So I paid more. But $210 for 200 pills was not too bad since I’m breaking them in half and taking half a pill a day.
 
I know it is crazy. My doc granted gave me a 90 day supply which Amazon pharmacy was the best price. Without insurance, I was looking at about almost $1800. Insurance knocked it down to a little over $600 but still fuck!

I put it the Jardiance copay card, but the price stayed the same. I may have filled out the card too soon and it didn't have time to register in their system or they may just not with the particular insurance I have take it. I will know again once the script is up. In the meantime, I do have some Indian pharmacy coming over for the future. Best deal is to get the 25mg tabs and cut them which is 12.5 vs 10 but close enough.

If you have a discount code/copay card, the price doesn't matter (because it usually drops it down to 5/10/15$). From my experience, online/mail order pharmacies are horrible in applying copay cards. You usually end up paying in full then claiming it back from the copay company.

Try and use a brick and mortar (cvs/walgreens) next time, hopefully it works. At most if it doesn't work, you can just get your doctor to change the prescription to Amazon or elsewhere.

All else fails, the Jardiance prices at PCT is pretty decent tbh.
 
If you have a discount code/copay card, the price doesn't matter (because it usually drops it down to 5/10/15$). From my experience, online/mail order pharmacies are horrible in applying copay cards. You usually end up paying in full then claiming it back from the copay company.

Try and use a brick and mortar (cvs/walgreens) next time, hopefully it works. At most if it doesn't work, you can just get your doctor to change the prescription to Amazon or elsewhere.

All else fails, the Jardiance prices at PCT is pretty decent tbh.
Yea, I got some coming from him. The 25mg version he has. Going to cut them in half which makes the price much better.
 
Damn, kind of is funny they cover all that but won't cover simple Pitavastatin. A generic version very recently appeared in the USA.
Yes - it's called Zypitamag. And while it is cheaper than Livalo, it's still very expensive and insurance won't generally pay for it, because Rosuvastatin is cheap and works well. There is a Zypitamag manufacturer program through a NC pharmacy which I tried to use, but they refused to honor a self-written prescription, expected with a controlled drug but never heard of that with something like a statin. So... I'm getting it from India.

Pitvastatin is 1.7x as potent as rosuvastatin on a mg-per-mg basis, is essentially free of one major statin adverse effect (insulin resistance and possible NODM), is superior at raising HDL, and has fewer drug interactions. It is also lipophilic as opposed to hydrophilic, which is a sort of a mixed bag... there is better distribution throughout the body for the beneficial/pleiotropic effects (ie anti-inflammation, antineoplastic, neuroprotection, endothelial health, plaque stabilization) but theoretically this can cause more muscle symptoms. But in practice the opposite seems to be reported, with Pitavastatin less likely to cause muscle issues compared to rosuvastatin - perhaps because lower equivalent dosages are typically prescribed. Pitavastatin is available as used at 1, 2, or 4mg/day while Rosuvastatin is 5, 10, 20, or 40mg/day.

Potency equivalents:
2mg Pitavastatin ~ 5mg rosuvastatin
4mg Pitavastatin ~ 10mg rosuvastatin

I see physicians commonly prescribing rosuvastatin at 20mg or even 40mg per day which I think is absurd. There are diminishing returns after 5-10mg, where the therapeutic effect approaches a plateau while side effects go up exponentially. For rosuvastatin there is just no need to go beyond 10mg/day. If more LDL lowering is needed, then potentiate with ezetimibe and/or bempedoic acid.

I think men with supraphysiologic androgens (test or whatever, it doesn't really matter) should suppress their LDL < 55, at which point HDL becomes largely irrelevant. Doing this and keeping BP well controlled should mitigate most cardiovascular risks. All AAS inherently raise LDL and lower HDL, skewing the lipid profile towards atherogenesis, so this is important to control when using these compounds long term. Controlling initiating factors like systemic inflammation are important too, but that is another whole topic.

Statins also deplete coenzymeQ, so supplemention is important. I recommend 400-600mg per day of ubiquinol - which is the form with best oral bioavailability - along with 40mg PQQ. If you can afford it a full mitochondrial stack is great and helps with anti-aging and keeping inflammatory levels low, this is my current one:

Inj:
SS-31 2.5mg/day
MOTS-C 1mg/day
SR9009 30mg/day
GW510516 8mg/day
L-carnitine 600mg/day

Oral:
Ubiquinol 400-600mg
PQQ 40mg
Pycnogenol 100-200mg/day
Astaxanthin 12mg/day
Methylene Blue 100mg/day\
 
Yes - it's called Zypitamag. And while it is cheaper than Livalo, it's still very expensive and insurance won't generally pay for it, because Rosuvastatin is cheap and works well. There is a Zypitamag manufacturer program through a NC pharmacy which I tried to use, but they refused to honor a self-written prescription, expected with a controlled drug but never heard of that with something like a statin. So... I'm getting it from India.

Pitvastatin is 1.7x as potent as rosuvastatin on a mg-per-mg basis, is essentially free of one major statin adverse effect (insulin resistance and possible NODM), is superior at raising HDL, and has fewer drug interactions. It is also lipophilic as opposed to hydrophilic, which is a sort of a mixed bag... there is better distribution throughout the body for the beneficial/pleiotropic effects (ie anti-inflammation, antineoplastic, neuroprotection, endothelial health, plaque stabilization) but theoretically this can cause more muscle symptoms. But in practice the opposite seems to be reported, with Pitavastatin less likely to cause muscle issues compared to rosuvastatin - perhaps because lower equivalent dosages are typically prescribed. Pitavastatin is available as used at 1, 2, or 4mg/day while Rosuvastatin is 5, 10, 20, or 40mg/day.

Potency equivalents:
2mg Pitavastatin ~ 5mg rosuvastatin
4mg Pitavastatin ~ 10mg rosuvastatin

I see physicians commonly prescribing rosuvastatin at 20mg or even 40mg per day which I think is absurd. There are diminishing returns after 5-10mg, where the therapeutic effect approaches a plateau while side effects go up exponentially. For rosuvastatin there is just no need to go beyond 10mg/day. If more LDL lowering is needed, then potentiate with ezetimibe and/or bempedoic acid.

I think men with supraphysiologic androgens (test or whatever, it doesn't really matter) should suppress their LDL < 55, at which point HDL becomes largely irrelevant. Doing this and keeping BP well controlled should mitigate most cardiovascular risks. All AAS inherently raise LDL and lower HDL, skewing the lipid profile towards atherogenesis, so this is important to control when using these compounds long term. Controlling initiating factors like systemic inflammation are important too, but that is another whole topic.

Statins also deplete coenzymeQ, so supplemention is important. I recommend 400-600mg per day of ubiquinol - which is the form with best oral bioavailability - along with 40mg PQQ. If you can afford it a full mitochondrial stack is great and helps with anti-aging and keeping inflammatory levels low, this is my current one:

Inj:
SS-31 2.5mg/day
MOTS-C 1mg/day
SR9009 30mg/day
GW510516 8mg/day
L-carnitine 600mg/day

Oral:
Ubiquinol 400-600mg
PQQ 40mg
Pycnogenol 100-200mg/day
Astaxanthin 12mg/day
Methylene Blue 100mg/day\
Do you really use 100mg of methylene blue per day or was that a typo?
 
typo... should be 10mg
If you hadn't responded, Someone might have had to call in a wellness check
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Yes - it's called Zypitamag. And while it is cheaper than Livalo, it's still very expensive and insurance won't generally pay for it, because Rosuvastatin is cheap and works well. There is a Zypitamag manufacturer program through a NC pharmacy which I tried to use, but they refused to honor a self-written prescription, expected with a controlled drug but never heard of that with something like a statin. So... I'm getting it from India.

Pitvastatin is 1.7x as potent as rosuvastatin on a mg-per-mg basis, is essentially free of one major statin adverse effect (insulin resistance and possible NODM), is superior at raising HDL, and has fewer drug interactions. It is also lipophilic as opposed to hydrophilic, which is a sort of a mixed bag... there is better distribution throughout the body for the beneficial/pleiotropic effects (ie anti-inflammation, antineoplastic, neuroprotection, endothelial health, plaque stabilization) but theoretically this can cause more muscle symptoms. But in practice the opposite seems to be reported, with Pitavastatin less likely to cause muscle issues compared to rosuvastatin - perhaps because lower equivalent dosages are typically prescribed. Pitavastatin is available as used at 1, 2, or 4mg/day while Rosuvastatin is 5, 10, 20, or 40mg/day.

Potency equivalents:
2mg Pitavastatin ~ 5mg rosuvastatin
4mg Pitavastatin ~ 10mg rosuvastatin

I see physicians commonly prescribing rosuvastatin at 20mg or even 40mg per day which I think is absurd. There are diminishing returns after 5-10mg, where the therapeutic effect approaches a plateau while side effects go up exponentially. For rosuvastatin there is just no need to go beyond 10mg/day. If more LDL lowering is needed, then potentiate with ezetimibe and/or bempedoic acid.

I think men with supraphysiologic androgens (test or whatever, it doesn't really matter) should suppress their LDL < 55, at which point HDL becomes largely irrelevant. Doing this and keeping BP well controlled should mitigate most cardiovascular risks. All AAS inherently raise LDL and lower HDL, skewing the lipid profile towards atherogenesis, so this is important to control when using these compounds long term. Controlling initiating factors like systemic inflammation are important too, but that is another whole topic.

Statins also deplete coenzymeQ, so supplemention is important. I recommend 400-600mg per day of ubiquinol - which is the form with best oral bioavailability - along with 40mg PQQ. If you can afford it a full mitochondrial stack is great and helps with anti-aging and keeping inflammatory levels low, this is my current one:

Inj:
SS-31 2.5mg/day
MOTS-C 1mg/day
SR9009 30mg/day
GW510516 8mg/day
L-carnitine 600mg/day

Oral:
Ubiquinol 400-600mg
PQQ 40mg
Pycnogenol 100-200mg/day
Astaxanthin 12mg/day
Methylene Blue 100mg/day\

Isn't it $35 for 30 tabs from Marley without insurance?

In any case, I got the same version of Pitavastatin 4mg, same manufacturer, "Zydus" from India for $40/100.

There's also a combo Pita 4mg/Ezetimibe 10mg for $35 / 100 from another manufacturer which I think I'll try.

Pitavastatin is the best statin out there, but still under 2% of statin prescriptions in the US. Most docs are unfamiliar with it because until recently it
cost $400-500/month. It's slightly less potent than max high dose statins, but more than made up for when combined with ezetimebe.

It's side effect profile is fantastically low, and unlike insulin resistance inducing statins it actually lowers insulin resistance. It has other unique features, like not
only raising HDL, it improves its ability to remove deposits from arteries.
 
Yes - it's called Zypitamag. And while it is cheaper than Livalo, it's still very expensive and insurance won't generally pay for it, because Rosuvastatin is cheap and works well. There is a Zypitamag manufacturer program through a NC pharmacy which I tried to use, but they refused to honor a self-written prescription, expected with a controlled drug but never heard of that with something like a statin. So... I'm getting it from India.

Try CostPlus..no insurance needed.

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Isn't it $35 for 30 tabs from Marley without insurance?

In any case, I got the same version of Pitavastatin 4mg, same manufacturer, "Zydus" from India for $40/100.

There's also a combo Pita 4mg/Ezetimibe 10mg for $35 / 100 from another manufacturer which I think I'll try.

Pitavastatin is the best statin out there, but still under 2% of statin prescriptions in the US. Most docs are unfamiliar with it because until recently it
cost $400-500/month. It's slightly less potent than max high dose statins, but more than made up for when combined with ezetimebe.

It's side effect profile is fantastically low, and unlike insulin resistance inducing statins it actually lowers insulin resistance. It has other unique features, like not
only raising HDL, it improves its ability to remove deposits from arteries.
100%

Interested in that pita 4mg / ezetimibe 10mg combo pill... ezetimibe 10mg is cheap via my insurance ($10 for 90 day supply, same as rosuvastatin 10mg) but always looking to reduce the # pills I take.

For others who follow in Frank Zane's footsteps, this is the best pill pack I found found. Holds every I take including fish oil, lots of Mg, etc. And it is pretty durable unlike most others that start losing their flaps and labelling after a short period of time.

 
Yes, Pita went generic very recently in the regular calcium version in the USA.

Interesting note. Pitavastatin Calcium is technically not a generic of Livalo (Pitavastatin Magnesium), which did recently hit the market, but because Zydus replaced the Magnesium salt with Calcium, and went through the necessary clinical trials (generics don't have to), it's a "bio equivalent" and was allowed on the market even where Livalo had an active patent.
 
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Interested in that pita 4mg / ezetimibe 10mg combo pill... ezetimibe 10mg is cheap via my insurance ($10 for 90 day supply) but always looking to reduce the # pills I take. As it is have the largest pill pack I found on Amazon completely full.

For others who follow in Frank Zane's footsteps, this is the one... Holds a ton and pretty durable.


I'll shoot you a DM on the combo.

That 4 time of day organizer makes a lot of sense. I keep a small bottle with "immediately upon waking" meds, separate from with breakfast AM meds. Having a fixed time evening compartment and "immediately before bed" is ideal.
 
Interesting note. Pitavastatin Calcium is technically not a generic of Livalo (Pitavastatin Magnesium), which did recently hit the market, but because Zydus replaced the Magnesium salt with Calcium, and went through the necessary clinical trials (generics don't have to), it's a "bio equivalent" and was allowed on the market even where Livalo had an active patent.
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Livalo the calcium salt and Zydus the magnesium salt? I am almost sure I saw on my amazon pharmacy Pita AB the generic version with the calcium salt.

Note without insurance, it is still more expensive that the other statins, but a much more reasonable price. My insurance will lower it to the same price as the other statins though.
 
So I just ordered the Pitavastatin Calcium 4mg tabs from Mark Cuban. Thanks @Photon for the plug.

In case this helps anyone...

I use an old fashioned (and free) phone-in app called Docupdate which doesn't support ePrescribe via NCPDP#. CostPlusDrugs exclusives takes prescriptions via NCPDP #5755167. But I was able to get around it by spoofing the patient address to where their actual dispensary is located then doing a local search. This seems to have changed several times since its inception, but the current one is:

WelldyneRX
500 Eagles Landing Dr, Lakeland, FL 33810

They also have ivabradine for pretty cheap, it's less with my insurance but not my much. Checked some other drugs useful for this community, like SGLT2 inhibitors, they have generic dapaglaflozan but still quite expensive - luckily I can get a 90 day supply of Jardiance 10mg for $35 with insurance; emploglaflozin should be available in USA as a generic in the next year or so, I think.

Cilnidipine has ophan drug approval for PSS (scleroderma) but still unavailable in USA as far as I can tell, for now. So that one still needs to be imported.
 
Country wide.
Needs electronic prescription send via your doc.
Ships to your house.

No prescription options are only India pharma.
I miss the simpler times. I also miss Europe/middle east pharma. I used to get all my cycle support otc (we talking t4, statins, metformin, Jardiance, eplerenone, Telmisartan, Ivabradine, diuretics, bp meds, even fucking insulin)
 
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