Is pharma HGH that much better?

[Maiandros88]

In my opinion Pharma will always be better than UGL if nothing else it's manufactured in a controlled environment and meets or exceeds Fda standards, now do I run Pharma , hell no! It's too expensive to be honest,

4iu of a pharm grade Hgh is 8iu of a good Chinese ugl, every time I run pharm grade Hgh is half of a dose of the ugls and yes is so expensive to run that shit

 

[RockyP]

Back in the day, there was a more compelling argument to be made for pursuing pharma given the highly variable quality of UGL GH. That spread has closed considerably, though some folks just prefer to use Pharma. If I were competing at a high level, I suppose I would pursue pharma also - if you have a look in some of the threads here you will see some very interesting stories of side effects that some guys run into when using UGL GH. Could be totally random, could be an overdosed batch, etc. Not something i'd want to be dealing with at the tail end of a prep for a competition where I stood to win a pro card, large cash prize, endorsements, etc. For that reason, the consistency / purity of pharma would win me over. But for the rest of us, we have no idea how lucky we are to have so many options for affordable, high quality GH. Don't ever think that a few percentage in purity / a few tenths of a percentage of dimer makes the difference. It's all about the consistency / purity of the dosing and knowing how your body reacts to it (which is most important for a competitor).

 

[Elektrobot]

I get less water on seros than I have other HGH in the past. I dropped 5 pounds quickly when I swapped to the seros. Other than that, to me at least, they seem the same.

I've seen guy mention they know their hgh is good when they get less side effects

But water retention is a side effect of hgh

Do you think there was something in the other stuff that made you hold more water than the seros?

 

[Maiandros88]

I've seen guy mention they know their hgh is good when they get less side effects

But water retention is a side effect of hgh

Do you think there was something in the other stuff that made you hold more water than the seros?

Never use seros because I am from Europe, here are Geno’s , humatrope and nordi available … from those I never had bad water retention even in 8iu, from 8iu ugl Hgh I had water retention even so maybe is from each individual user how he reacted to Hgh

 

[bossetti]

You need to expand the brands you’re looking at.

I’m not going to give you a source, but I’ll give you a strong clue, after which it’s not that difficult to find < $8 (if you buy 100 at a time). $6.5o is the lowest I’ve seen, and the wholesale price per kit from Korea to distributors is $4.50-$5.

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In some parts of the world, LG biosciences co brands this with Cipla.

I can pair it with my oled tv?

 

[Elektrobot]

Never use seros because I am from Europe, here are Geno’s , humatrope and nordi available … from those I never had bad water retention even in 8iu, from 8iu ugl Hgh I had water retention even so maybe is from each individual user how he reacted to Hgh

"Better" hgh = less HGH effects

Weird

I should experiment

 

[Ghoul]

"Better" hgh = less HGH effects

Weird

I should experiment

Jano mentioned years ago, and I agree, it’s most likely the crazy vial to vial dose variability of UGL and the usual overdosing that accounts for more sides vs pharma.

No one has ever identified an impurity that happens to cause the same exact sides known pure pharma rHGH causes in clinical trials. It’s always a matter of the GH dose being too high.

 

[Elektrobot]

Jano mentioned years ago, and I agree, it’s most likely the crazy vial to vial dose variability of UGL and the usual overdosing that accounts for more sides vs pharma.

This clicks.

So now I have a curiosity. Blending a months worth of GH in a vial instead of reconstituting a single vial every week...

I'm gonna try it.

 

[Ghoul]

This clicks.

So now I have a curiosity. Blending a months worth of GH in a vial instead of reconstituting a single vial every week...

I'm gonna try it.

All you, but rHGH degradation is primarily a function of post reconstitution time and temperature. I think keeping both as low as practical is the most sensible approach.

 

[Elektrobot]

All you, but rHGH degradation is primarily a function of post reconstitution time and temperature. I think keeping both as low as practical is the most sensible approach.

I do realize degradation is a concern

And I suppose that's a variable which would lead to an inconclusive result

Is less water retention from more consistent dose across a month, or from less potency across a month...

 

[Ghoul]

I do realize degradation is a concern

And I suppose that's a variable which would lead to an inconclusive result

Is less water retention from more consistent dose across a month, or from less potency across a month...

I don’t know if you saw my earlier post in this, but when endocrinologists are dealing with patients who have significant water retention issues, sometimes larger, eod dosing resolves it.

As long as the total weekly dose is the same, benefits are pretty much the same.

It’s counterintuitive, because higher peak GH is closely associated with sides, so fewer, large doses would be expected to cause worse, not better issues like water retention.

But they discovered there’s a minority of rHGH patients who seem to be “High GH tolerant, steady elevated IGF-1 intolerant”.

The theory is that a dip in IGF every other day allows fluid to drain off, so overall sides are lower for that group.

 

[Elektrobot]

I don’t know if you saw my earlier post in this, but when endocrinologists are dealing with patients who have significant water retention issues, sometimes larger, eod dosing resolves it.

As long as the total weekly dose is the same, benefits are pretty much the same.

It’s counterintuitive, because higher peak GH is closely associated with sides, so fewer, large doses would be expected to cause worse, not better issues like water retention.

But they discovered there’s a minority of rHGH patients who seem to be “High GH tolerant, steady elevated IGF-1 intolerant”.

The theory is that a dip in IGF every other day allows fluid to drain off, so overall sides are lower for that group.

I've heard some people talk about how the serostim protocol for high CTS or water retention is to skip a dose, and not break it up into smaller shots through the day.

I seem to have rather fast fluctuations. I take 4iu around 8pm. Wake up at 1-2am with swollen ass tingly hands. Get up to pee. And by morning my hands are feeling normal.

 

[SnowyMiami]

I don't touch UGL anything. The influencers that use UGL GH like Todd Lee and John Jewitt got that acromegaly ogre look.

Also, Sero hits much harder than Geno IU for IU. Switching to Sero was like starting GH for the first time again.

 

[BatmanVAR]

Of course pharma is better.

Not necessarily in the sense of “more effective”, but certainly in terms of safety and consistency. Perhaps pharma remains more effective over time, since “clean” rHGH is far less likely to cause immunogenicity to develop.

But the question was loaded by asking if it’s “that much better”, meaning, will it provide more bang the buck.

With Pharma being 3-6X more expensive per IU, I can say it’s definately not 3-6X more effective. It’s not even 1.5x more effective.

But if you’re running 4iu / day, $1.50 UGL vs $5 Pharm, a $150 / month premium is meaningless for some people. The cost of a dinner out or streaming pro sports. Or a daily coffee. For them, that small bit of money makes it a bargain for everything pharma offers in intangible benefits and peace of mind.

Is pharma really 'only" that much more? I have great UGL sources but apparently no good ones for pharma because I've never seen it that cheap. Off to research I go...

 

[Ghoul]

I've heard some people talk about how the serostim protocol for high CTS or water retention is to skip a dose, and not break it up into smaller shots through the day.

I seem to have rather fast fluctuations. I take 4iu around 8pm. Wake up at 1-2am with swollen ass tingly hands. Get up to pee. And by morning my hands are feeling normal.

I think for most the trajectory is that if you maintain a stable dose, eventually the altered potassium / sodium balance that’s at the root of this gets corrected by the body’s mechanisms naturally equalize levels. But for some it never seems to correct, for whatever reason.

 

[Ghoul]

Is pharma really 'only" that much more? I have great UGL sources but apparently no good ones for pharma because I've never seen it that cheap. Off to research I go...

Go get prices for what I spelled out. I stopped short of spoon feeding, but you’re as well equipped to find it on your own as I could possibly make it.

 

[BatmanVAR]

Go get prices for what I spelled out. I stopped short of spoon feeding, but you’re as well equipped to find it on your own as I could possibly make it.

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Instructions unclear, bought LG OLED and dumped BAC water on it.

 

[Elektrobot]

Instructions unclear, bought LG OLED and dumped BAC water on it.

Did it turn cloudy?

 

[BatmanVAR]

Did it turn cloudy?

No but the remote has CTS now

 

[Maiandros88]

Go get prices for what I spelled out. I stopped short of spoon feeding, but you’re as well equipped to find it on your own as I could possibly make it.

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