Is Meso Losing Its Edge?

[AlexDavis43]

I've only been here for a few years but still like it

Lots of information & education, with enough drama to keep me entertained

although admittedly sometimes the drama gets annoying, but it's nowhere close to make me want to leave

 

[AlexDavis43]

Censorship at its finest, welcome to the new Meso

That's the same argument people have been having since forever

It's where do you draw the lines, who has to make those complicated decisions

 

[Billbo98]

The biggest issue I see now is the kids coming in here from social media platforms telling us “old heads” that were dinosaurs or outdated or not keeping up with current research etc. Then in that same breath ask for sources and what not and like mentioned already say they want to blast but don’t want acne, hair loss, or water weight but also want to warp their face bones with enough HGH and testosterone so they look like an eastern island statue. Oh and then to top it off rub some DHT cream on their face to grow a beard like the lack of shame they have for the dumb stuff they talk about blows my mind lmao.

 

[dinfar1337]

take @Bandern @DoubleDeez for example, they are a couple and they got banned for using "alts" when one them is posting in woman threads about woman bloodwork and the other is posting pictures of himself and his bodybuilding progress. both me and them tried to contact meso about and we're completely ignored by the mods

completely bs bans on alot of good folks

its not that i dont wanna participate

it just gets god damn boring when the new members are everywhere ruining every thread and the active posters keeping the culture up gets punished. @Ateam2023 for example is having a headache from the mods because he is critizing new members breaking the forum ettique.

im not reading these tiktok stacks over and over again. people quoting ai, theres just not much interesting left back on the forum, neither content or integrity or orginality is found in any post

for me thats why i stopped posting much on regular threads.

 

[MindlessWork]

I joined this forum back in 2010 when it was more freewheeling and sources were vetted by members and the frauds run off plus there were plenty of knowledgeable people then. Oh yes there was plenty of drama too.

The tone has changed quite a bit since then and the turning point was around mid 2021 or so when Millard instituted new rules after a mass ban of many regulars. Sadly it's now a shadow of its former great self now that many old timers have left due to the unfortunate situation it's become as Tiktokers and Instagram followers flooded in.

My take is this board is Millard's place his rules and we are just the guests.

EDIT: This post is not meant to be an attack on the way the forum is run or against anyone.

 

[MESO-Rx Administrator]

Private messages were sent to each of your privately. We can do this publicly if you prefer.

 

[MESO-Rx Administrator]

I’m gonna say this straight. What the hell is happening to this forum?

Moderation used to be about stopping scams and obvious nonsense. Now it feels like walking through a kindergarten with a whistle. “Don’t discuss this here.” “Don’t say that.” And now I’m being told I can’t post in the Q thread until April because I called an idiot an idiot? On a steroid forum?

This is a board built around testosterone, iron, risk, and grown men making grown decisions. Not a book club for feelings management. Since when did this place turn into HR at a corporate office?

Is this the GLP-1 era? Did appetite suppression somehow suppress everyone’s backbone too? It honestly feels like the edges are getting sanded down to make everything safe and controlled. And the more “controlled” it gets, the more lifeless it feels.

People wonder why the forum is quieter. Why the heavy hitters don’t post anymore. Why the guys with actual experience stopped sharing. Maybe because the environment shifted from blunt and honest to tiptoe and sanitize. A lot of the dudes who actually brought value just disappeared. And that’s not random.

You can modernize a platform without neutering it. Progress doesn’t have to mean sterilizing personality and shutting down straight talk. Right now it feels like overcorrection.

At this rate, it’s not trolls killing the forum. It’s death by soft moderation and slow culture shift. And yeah, that’s frustrating to watch.

Subject: Suppressing criticism in QSC thread and otherwise protecting sources

Hi
The Answ3r,

I’m contacting you regarding your recent participation in the QSC thread.

Your responses relied heavily on personal ridicule rather than focusing on the substance of the customer service concern. Statements questioning where someone “comes from,” mocking intelligence, and framing the issue as a personal deficiency shift attention away from evaluating the vendor’s conduct.

Even if operational details such as queue bumping are accurate, delivering that information through humiliation discourages members from reporting publicly. It reframes accountability as a character flaw rather than a legitimate inquiry, which undermines the harm reduction environment MESO-Rx is committed to maintaining.

Members are free to correct misinformation and provide factual context. What is not acceptable is belittling or degrading the individual raising the concern. Please keep future contributions focused on substance rather than personal attacks.

Further incidents may result in moderation action within the Steroid Underground.

If you have questions, you’re welcome to respond.

MESO

 

[MESO-Rx Administrator]

Harm reduction is about reducing harm to Millard's wallet... been that way a few years now. Mark my words, there's going to be this huge response that will go to great lengths to justify it all. And in the end you'll just be exhausted after reading it and give up. You can't argue with him.

Subject: Suppressing negative reporting in QSC thread

Hi nullandvoid,

I’m contacting you regarding your posts in the QSC thread.

Statements suggesting that the vendor will tell a customer to “eat dog shit,” references to being “soup nazi’ed,” and repeated messaging to lower expectations normalize abusive vendor conduct and frame mistreatment as something customers should simply accept.

That dynamic undermines accountability. When members imply that reporting concerns will lead to humiliation or retaliation, and treat that as expected, it discourages open discussion of real issues. MESO-Rx exists specifically to avoid that kind of vendor-protective culture.

Members may advise patience or provide context. What is not acceptable is reinforcing the idea that customers deserve abuse for asking questions.

Please ensure future contributions focus on facts and substance rather than degradation or intimidation rhetoric. Continued behavior of this nature may result in restrictions within the Steroid Underground.

If you’d like clarification, you’re welcome to reply.

MESO

 

[AlexDavis43]

AI has entered the chat

 

[The Answ3r]

Subject: Suppressing criticism in QSC thread and otherwise protecting sources

Hi
The Answ3r,

I’m contacting you regarding your recent participation in the QSC thread.

Your responses relied heavily on personal ridicule rather than focusing on the substance of the customer service concern. Statements questioning where someone “comes from,” mocking intelligence, and framing the issue as a personal deficiency shift attention away from evaluating the vendor’s conduct.

Even if operational details such as queue bumping are accurate, delivering that information through humiliation discourages members from reporting publicly. It reframes accountability as a character flaw rather than a legitimate inquiry, which undermines the harm reduction environment MESO-Rx is committed to maintaining.

Members are free to correct misinformation and provide factual context. What is not acceptable is belittling or degrading the individual raising the concern. Please keep future contributions focused on substance rather than personal attacks.

Further incidents may result in moderation action within the Steroid Underground.

If you have questions, you’re welcome to respond.

MESO

Thanks for reaching out.

This wasn’t a personal attack. It was commentary on behavior. There’s a difference between degrading someone and pointing out that repeatedly ignoring clearly posted information creates unnecessary noise.

Q had already posted about the tracking delay in Telegram. The member placed the order through Telegram. Then continued posting publicly as if no explanation existed. At some point that becomes self-inflicted confusion, not vendor misconduct.

If bluntly pointing that out is now considered humiliation, that’s a very low bar. This is a steroid forum. Adults. Enhanced adults. Direct communication shouldn’t automatically be reframed as harassment.

My post history speaks for itself, mostly useful information, experience, and occasional sarcasm. No pattern of targeting people or personal abuse. The tone may be sharp at times, but it’s never been malicious.

If tone is the concern, I understand that moderation standards may differ from my style. However, a restriction until April over this feels disproportionate to what was actually said.

So here’s my proposal: lift the restriction on my posting in Steroid Underground, and I’ll consider this a misunderstanding between us and move forward without revisiting it.

 

[MESO-Rx Administrator]

I, too, have been restricted for talking to the same idiot esteemed new supporting member. It was my most liked post ever.

I lurked for a long while before joining. In the last several months, there has been a loss of several very good members. I hope I run into them in a private forum somewhere in the future. Gatekeeping has its place.

Ironically, it was a like on my profile status about being restricted that awarded me the "Esteemed" badge today. Jolly good fun.

Subject: Suppressing criticism in QSC thread and otherwise protecting sources

Hi BendigoShafter,

I’m reaching out regarding your recent posts in the QSC thread.

Comments such as dismissing a member based on having “joined 35 minutes ago,” referring to their complaint as “pathetic mewling,” and stating that “if you behaved this way… you would be slapped” move the discussion away from evaluating the source’s conduct and toward intimidation and dominance signaling.

Physical intimidation rhetoric and derisive framing are strong deterrents to open reporting. When accountability discussions turn into social punishment rituals, members with legitimate concerns become less likely to speak up. That dynamic undermines MESO-Rx’s harm reduction mission, which depends on transparency and the ability to question sources without fear of humiliation.

Challenging claims is appropriate. Attacking or intimidating the person raising the claim is not. Going forward, you are expected to address substance without belittling or threatening language.

Continued behavior of this nature may result in thread-level or subforum restrictions.

If you’d like clarification, feel free to reply.

MESO

 

[dinfar1337]

Even if operational details such as queue bumping are accurate, delivering that information through humiliation discourages members from reporting publicly

That dynamic undermines accountability. When members imply that reporting concerns will lead to humiliation or retaliation, and treat that as expected, it discourages open discussion of real issues. MESO-Rx exists specifically to avoid that kind of vendor-protective culture.

This wasn’t a personal attack. It was commentary on behavior. There’s a difference between degrading someone and pointing out that repeatedly ignoring clearly posted information creates unnecessary noise.

So just a question @MESO-Rx Administrator

Only the original poster(even if new member with 2 posts 0iq) gets to raise vendor issues without any pushback, but veteran members aren't allowed to question, challenge, or even call out what looks like utter bullshit? Even if that "questioning" gets labeled as belittling?

Wasn't meso build on the idea of members control the sources through open discusscion? transparency, and calling shit out like it is?

is your goal harm reduction or running a kindergarten? because that is the concern of me and many members as you can see... or not

we're not very interested in the punishment messages.

 

[dinfar1337]

im honestly coming from a place where i wanna make the forum better.

you can just ignore my message if you see it as a attack/not take it to heart.

i have alot of beneficial relationships on meso and dont wanna get banned, and is probably the reason im on this forum at all since the last few banwaves

sorry this is all you get from me, i only have something to lose in this battle.

 

[MESO-Rx Administrator]

Thanks for reaching out.

This wasn’t a personal attack. It was commentary on behavior. There’s a difference between degrading someone and pointing out that repeatedly ignoring clearly posted information creates unnecessary noise.

Q had already posted about the tracking delay in Telegram. The member placed the order through Telegram. Then continued posting publicly as if no explanation existed. At some point that becomes self-inflicted confusion, not vendor misconduct.

If bluntly pointing that out is now considered humiliation, that’s a very low bar. This is a steroid forum. Adults. Enhanced adults. Direct communication shouldn’t automatically be reframed as harassment.

My post history speaks for itself, mostly useful information, experience, and occasional sarcasm. No pattern of targeting people or personal abuse. The tone may be sharp at times, but it’s never been malicious.

If tone is the concern, I understand that moderation standards may differ from my style. However, a restriction until April over this feels disproportionate to what was actually said.

So here’s my proposal: lift the restriction on my posting in Steroid Underground, and I’ll consider this a misunderstanding between us and move forward without revisiting it.

Please take a moment to reflect on my message and consider that some of that you may be responsible for some of that noise.

A widely recognized problem on the forum in various source threads is the burying of source relevant criticism with off topic discussions.

I expect experienced members to work with MESO-Rx to improve this situation and not against us.

At the same time, your point is well taken about new and inexperienced members with repetitive and basic questions. This may be an annoyance to some but they deserve some form of assistance in any forum that calls itself a harm reduction forum.

This doesn't mean spoonfeeding. Spoonfeeding is the opposite of the harm reduction objectives here. But we need to teach these new members to critically evaluate the information available on this forum for themselves.

This requires a lot of work. No one is under any obligation to help them. That is fair. But neither should anyone engage them in a manner inconsistent with the basic principles of harm reduction.

 

[The Answ3r]

Alright, moderators are doing their job. If he believes that what I wrote somehow hurt the feelings of new forum members or violated the current standards, then those are the rules and I’m obviously not the one who gets to rewrite them.

For transparency, here’s the exact post that earned me a timeout in Steroid Underground until April. Anyone can read it and decide for themselves whether it was actual harassment… or just forum banter that landed a little too hard.

Post in thread 'Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co., Ltd (International, US, EU, Canada and Australia domestic'
https://thinksteroids.com/community...and-australia-domestic.134407154/post-3718953

 

[hellerhiwater]

im new enough that this feels like not my business, but appreciate the forum in its current state enough to ignore that and say this

i have perused old threads, it def seemed cooler in the past. the biggest loss imo is that ghoul character, and readalot.

i promise im not a mewling looksmaxxer, but from what im reading the mods kind of have a point. any amt of discouraging source accountability is not super great. and the more aggressive or discouraging it is, the more likely it is to be harm-encouraging.

there should obviously be a line, and no one should be freaking banned for calling a looksmaxer a mewling. im just saying that what the admin wrote to each of the users makes sense to me, and seems relatively reasonable.

it should for sure be a public interjection in the thread tho and not a "punishment message." like how theyll highlight alt accountsand explain its a shill. maybe that but saying "source acccountability is an important part of meso."

 

[Billbo98]

Alright, moderators are doing their job. If he believes that what I wrote somehow hurt the feelings of new forum members or violated the current standards, then those are the rules and I’m obviously not the one who gets to rewrite them.

For transparency, here’s the exact post that earned me a timeout in Steroid Underground until April. Anyone can read it and decide for themselves whether it was actual harassment… or just forum banter that landed a little too hard.

Post in thread 'Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co., Ltd (International, US, EU, Canada and Australia domestic'
https://thinksteroids.com/community...and-australia-domestic.134407154/post-3718953

I try to stay out of the dumb drama but I have to say I indeed did laugh at this post just now

 

[hellerhiwater]

Alright, moderators are doing their job. If he believes that what I wrote somehow hurt the feelings of new forum members or violated the current standards, then those are the rules and I’m obviously not the one who gets to rewrite them.

For transparency, here’s the exact post that earned me a timeout in Steroid Underground until April. Anyone can read it and decide for themselves whether it was actual harassment… or just forum banter that landed a little too hard.

Post in thread 'Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co., Ltd (International, US, EU, Canada and Australia domestic'
Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co., Ltd (International, US, EU, Canada and Australia domestic

first of all thats fucking hilarious. second of all, a 6-8 week timeout is insane.

is this your first timeout for something like this? if its like a weeky thing i guess i could see amod getting fed up but firsttime is just way too harsh imo

 

[bananafeet]

I think there should be exceptions to the rules especially if the insult was especially funny.

 

[MindlessWork]

I try to stay out of the dumb drama but I have to say I indeed did laugh at this post just now

I found the post hilarious too and wondering if some people just got it all wrong with the intentions.