Improperly Stored Powder

[Cman90]

Friend has around 50g of TE powder. It has been left in a box and set in a closet in a non airtight bag, essentially open air. It has been sitting for around 5 years.

Would it be worth it to try to salvage this powder and send it off to be tested, or should it just be discarded?

Appreciate any insights.

Thanks

 

[TyLu17]

send for testing

 

[ironbbvip]

Hi,What's better for you: health or money? Five years is a long time, I wouldn't risk it.

 

[pheno609]

Friend has around 50g of TE powder. It has been left in a box and set in a closet in a non airtight bag, essentially open air. It has been sitting for around 5 years.

Would it be worth it to try to salvage this powder and send it off to be tested, or should it just be discarded?

Appreciate any insights.

Thanks

TE is known for pip after improperly storing for even short amounts of time, melting point is very low. Sending it for testing may be a waste of time. Even if it comes back good, it will likely have crippling pip and be unusable. Maybe try to brew some and test a little bit, probably not worth it though

 

[Cman90]

TE is known for pip after improperly storing for even short amounts of time, melting point is very low. Sending it for testing may be a waste of time. Even if it comes back good, it will likely have crippling pip and be unusable. Maybe try to brew some and test a little bit, probably not worth it though

Thanks for the reply. This is what I was thinking. The first brew 5 years ago was super smooth and pipless so had me thinking there was a chance. Will probably just vac it for a doomsday stash

 

[cousinmuscles]

Do you have pics? Sending it to janoshik costs more than what 50g new test e powder will cost.

 

[Cman90]

Do you have pics? Sending it to janoshik costs more than what 50g new test e powder will cost.

Will take some. Yeah I could buy 5x that for the cost of Jano lol, which is also a factor. I would like to get some cyp powder but I don't want the piss yellow chemical concoction going around.

 

[cousinmuscles]

Will take some. Yeah I could buy 5x that for the cost of Jano lol, which is also a factor. I would like to get some cyp powder but I don't want the piss yellow chemical concoction going around.

Mate, I just received AASraw cypionate, literally today, lol. It is white grainy powder and smells just like many raws I have bought before from other vendors.

Yellow and chemical smell is usually residual solvents.

 

[Cman90]

Janoshik Analytical

Well here are the results. It was actually TC and there are several hundred grams. Is it worth trying to re-crystallize or salvage using some other method? Or just toss...

The powder is nice and white, grainy, almost a chalky smell, not melted at all. No baseline test either.

 

[pipo]

I would use it as it is now.
I think that it shows low purity because it got some humidity from air exposure. Not being vacuum sealed caused that.
You can't have anything in there that could harm you in any way.

 

[Cman90]

You can't have anything in there that could harm you in any way.

How can you deduce this?

Would you figure any harmful foreign materials would be removed during the filtration process?

My thoughts are 17% of it are unknown substances that could harm me. (Assuming the variance isn't all degradation byproduct)

 

[pipo]

How can you deduce this?

Would you figure any harmful foreign materials would be removed during the filtration process?

My thoughts are 17% of it are unknown substances that could harm me. (Assuming the variance isn't all degradation byproduct)

What harmful substances could be there in the first place?
Raws have been tested and over-tested for that, and nothing has been found.

5 years ago, you couldn't buy bad test c raws even if you looked for them. It was a quality of +94% almost all the time. Two or three times I saw tests at 92%.
The difference is because they were stored improperly. Air exposure and humidity show the effects in that testing.

If you don't feel confident enough to use it, bin it and buy another. You can still find it available.

 

[cousinmuscles]

Janoshik Analytical

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Well here are the results. It was actually TC and there are several hundred grams. Is it worth trying to re-crystallize or salvage using some other method? Or just toss...

The powder is nice and white, grainy, almost a chalky smell, not melted at all. No baseline test either.

Where is this from?

 

[psauce]

My advice would be to make a test batch with a two-fold process:

Put like 1g in a vial with 70% alcohol and swirl/agitate it to break up any clumps, then let it sit for a couple minutes. Dump it on flat aluminum foil and cover with a foil tent to prevent dust from falling on it as the alcohol evaporates.

Dissolve in oil, filter.

This should take care of bacterial and other contaminants as well as any breakdown products.

Test with a tiny (<0.1 mL) injection shallow subq. That way any chemical or biological issue will be apparent and superficial.

What harmful substances could be there in the first place?
Raws have been tested and over-tested for that, and nothing has been found.

It's been left to exposed to open air. For easy reference, the volume of adult breath contains roughly 500000 bacterial cells, fungal spores, and viral particles. After years of exposure and air settling on it, there will be biological contamination. Despite the low water activity and limited nutrients, some viruses, fungal spores, and endospore forming bacteria can survive on surfaces for months to years.

So while it's true that raws have been tested over and over and over, I don't think Jano has run his buddy's closet air through an HPLC.

 

[pipo]

My advice would be to make a test batch with a two-fold process:

Put like 1g in a vial with 70% alcohol and swirl/agitate it to break up any clumps, then let it sit for a couple minutes. Dump it on flat aluminum foil and cover with a foil tent to prevent dust from falling on it as the alcohol evaporates.

Dissolve in oil, filter.

This should take care of bacterial and other contaminants as well as any breakdown products.

Test with a tiny (<0.1 mL) injection shallow subq. That way any chemical or biological issue will be apparent and superficial.


It's been left to exposed to open air. For easy reference, the volume of adult breath contains roughly 500000 bacterial cells, fungal spores, and viral particles. After years of exposure and air settling on it, there will be biological contamination. Despite the low water activity and limited nutrients, some viruses, fungal spores, and endospore forming bacteria can survive on surfaces for months to years.

So while it's true that raws have been tested over and over and over, I don't think Jano has run his buddy's closet air through an HPLC.

Isn't filtering taking care of this problem if there is one? Or heating can kill whatever is there