ChoZeN1
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What’s up Meso!
I’m fairly new here—more active on other forums—but I figured I’d post and get some advice from the greats in this industry.
I’ve always been a bigger-framed guy. I’m 6’0" and my weight has fluctuated between 220–300 lbs most of my life. At one point, I even hit my lowest at 186 lbs. No matter what, my body seems to want to settle back around the 240 range (I honestly believe that’s my natural “set point”).
I attached two photos:
During that first cycle, I made great progress, but I wasn’t as knowledgeable about anabolics as I am today. I had plenty of sides: gyno (as you can see), tren rage, uncontrollable sex drive, bad acne, etc. But interestingly, the more severe issues (night sweats, tren cough, bad lipids) weren’t too bad—I actually respond pretty well to tren. Back then I mostly just listened to “bro science” on forums without researching titration or considering the idea that less is often better.
Fast forward: I recently got updated bloodwork, so I have a solid baseline again. My androgen receptors and body have essentially reset since that first picture (190–200 lbs, from 2021). While locked up, I trained fairly consistently, but between commissary “pockets,” working kitchen detail, and being a store man, I definitely ate a lot of carbs (gotta love those pockets).
My current goal:
I want to get back down to the 220–230 lb range, but this time with size and definition. My approach will be “less is more”—starting low and only increasing as needed until I find the sweet spot of maximum results with minimal sides.
With all the newer information and compounds available, I’d like your advice:
Thanks, Meso. Looking forward to learning and growing with you all!
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CURRENT BODY STATS:
AGE: 34
HEIGHT: 6'0
WEIGHT: 272 LBS. (GOAL: 230-240)
BODY FAT: 28% (GOAL: 18-20%)
PLANNED CYCLE:
WEEK 1-16: (WILL DO LONGER IF POSSIBLE WHEN I GET BLOODWORK DONE AT 15 WEEKS TO CHECK PANEL)
Testosterone Enanthate - 250mg EOD **WILL TITRATE UP SLOWLY UNTIL MAX EFFECTIVE DOSE IS REACHED**
Primobolan Enanthate - 300mg EOD (Higher E2 so didn't do 1:1) **WILL TITRATE UP SLOWLY UNTIL MAX EFFECTIVE DOSE IS REACHED**
Aromasin - 12.mg EOD
Levothyroxine T4 & Cytomel T3 **I have hypothyroidism so I use these to help regulate, I will also be dosing T3 according to help aid in fat loss.**
HGH - 2iu(slowly upping until 4-5iu max) daily before morning cardio/workout session fasted. **I was doing at night, but because we eat later when my girlfriend gets home due to work, its hard to keep glucose stable. So doing this early morning before cardio fasted, worked better for myself.**
Retatrutide (Starting dose: 2mg, titrating up slowly until max dose of 8mg is achieved)
PRODUCTS I HAVE THAT I COULD IMPLEMENT:
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Anavar - (Weeks 1-4 or 12-16 @ 20mg daily pre workout.)
Tren Ace - (Weeks 1-8 or 8-16 @ 75mg weekly) **Will not go over this dosage, Plenty of anecdotal evidence stating that lower dose trenbolgne sammichs can benefit and achieve desired results with way less negativity on your body and mental.**
Arimidex - IF NEEDED
TELMISARTAN - IF NEEDED
NPP - (Weeks 1-16 @ 100-200mg a week) *aid is size and lubrication of joints as I am older, and I tore something in my leg in prison during a softball tournament, the muscle from the bottom of my ass cheek all the way down to the back of my calf. It was black/purple/blue. Couldn't walk. Couldn't put pressure on it. Medical in prison systems is non existent. Said it was a pulled muscle. Finally healed 9-12 weeks later, and still till this day its hurts when I do cardio and basic leg exercises.
Dbol - (Weeks 1-5 to kickstart cycle @ 10-20mgs daily pre workout)
So yeah that's about it, just looking on guidance and advice on my cycle. What I could do better or adjust. I am a fairly good responder to every anabolic I provided as I have used them prior in earlier years. (NPP, PRIMO). With DBOL I generally don't hold much water and I get really good size increase and gains on 5 weeks as previously used in other cycles. I am not looking to purely lose weight, but gain increasing size and mass during these winter times and in the summer full cut down with all that increased lean mass. Thank you so much for your insights and help!
I’m fairly new here—more active on other forums—but I figured I’d post and get some advice from the greats in this industry.
I’ve always been a bigger-framed guy. I’m 6’0" and my weight has fluctuated between 220–300 lbs most of my life. At one point, I even hit my lowest at 186 lbs. No matter what, my body seems to want to settle back around the 240 range (I honestly believe that’s my natural “set point”).
I attached two photos:
- First photo (yellow boxers): Taken while coming off a cut cycle. The products I used were Sustanon (500–700 mg), Tren Ace (200–250 mg), and Nolva/Anadrol (as the starting oral).
- Second photo (mirror, 248 lbs): Taken after my release from prison (2021–2023).
During that first cycle, I made great progress, but I wasn’t as knowledgeable about anabolics as I am today. I had plenty of sides: gyno (as you can see), tren rage, uncontrollable sex drive, bad acne, etc. But interestingly, the more severe issues (night sweats, tren cough, bad lipids) weren’t too bad—I actually respond pretty well to tren. Back then I mostly just listened to “bro science” on forums without researching titration or considering the idea that less is often better.
Fast forward: I recently got updated bloodwork, so I have a solid baseline again. My androgen receptors and body have essentially reset since that first picture (190–200 lbs, from 2021). While locked up, I trained fairly consistently, but between commissary “pockets,” working kitchen detail, and being a store man, I definitely ate a lot of carbs (gotta love those pockets).
My current goal:
I want to get back down to the 220–230 lb range, but this time with size and definition. My approach will be “less is more”—starting low and only increasing as needed until I find the sweet spot of maximum results with minimal sides.
With all the newer information and compounds available, I’d like your advice:
- What would you change or add to my planned cycle to help me reach this goal?
- I’ll drop my planned cycle and current stats below.
Thanks, Meso. Looking forward to learning and growing with you all!
____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
CURRENT BODY STATS:
AGE: 34
HEIGHT: 6'0
WEIGHT: 272 LBS. (GOAL: 230-240)
BODY FAT: 28% (GOAL: 18-20%)
PLANNED CYCLE:
WEEK 1-16: (WILL DO LONGER IF POSSIBLE WHEN I GET BLOODWORK DONE AT 15 WEEKS TO CHECK PANEL)
Testosterone Enanthate - 250mg EOD **WILL TITRATE UP SLOWLY UNTIL MAX EFFECTIVE DOSE IS REACHED**
Primobolan Enanthate - 300mg EOD (Higher E2 so didn't do 1:1) **WILL TITRATE UP SLOWLY UNTIL MAX EFFECTIVE DOSE IS REACHED**
Aromasin - 12.mg EOD
Levothyroxine T4 & Cytomel T3 **I have hypothyroidism so I use these to help regulate, I will also be dosing T3 according to help aid in fat loss.**
HGH - 2iu(slowly upping until 4-5iu max) daily before morning cardio/workout session fasted. **I was doing at night, but because we eat later when my girlfriend gets home due to work, its hard to keep glucose stable. So doing this early morning before cardio fasted, worked better for myself.**
Retatrutide (Starting dose: 2mg, titrating up slowly until max dose of 8mg is achieved)
PRODUCTS I HAVE THAT I COULD IMPLEMENT:
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Anavar - (Weeks 1-4 or 12-16 @ 20mg daily pre workout.)
Tren Ace - (Weeks 1-8 or 8-16 @ 75mg weekly) **Will not go over this dosage, Plenty of anecdotal evidence stating that lower dose trenbolgne sammichs can benefit and achieve desired results with way less negativity on your body and mental.**
Arimidex - IF NEEDED
TELMISARTAN - IF NEEDED
NPP - (Weeks 1-16 @ 100-200mg a week) *aid is size and lubrication of joints as I am older, and I tore something in my leg in prison during a softball tournament, the muscle from the bottom of my ass cheek all the way down to the back of my calf. It was black/purple/blue. Couldn't walk. Couldn't put pressure on it. Medical in prison systems is non existent. Said it was a pulled muscle. Finally healed 9-12 weeks later, and still till this day its hurts when I do cardio and basic leg exercises.
Dbol - (Weeks 1-5 to kickstart cycle @ 10-20mgs daily pre workout)
So yeah that's about it, just looking on guidance and advice on my cycle. What I could do better or adjust. I am a fairly good responder to every anabolic I provided as I have used them prior in earlier years. (NPP, PRIMO). With DBOL I generally don't hold much water and I get really good size increase and gains on 5 weeks as previously used in other cycles. I am not looking to purely lose weight, but gain increasing size and mass during these winter times and in the summer full cut down with all that increased lean mass. Thank you so much for your insights and help!
