IGF-1 levels of 132 on 6iu GH?

[ShutUpAndPump]

Are you kidding me or what? 6 IU and 100 IGF-1? And you think it's real? And most of the comments here are about the effects of estradiol on IGF-1 and not about the fact that what you're injecting is rubbish?

 

[ChemBB]

Are you kidding me or what? 6 IU and 100 IGF-1? And you think it's real? And most of the comments here are about the effects of estradiol on IGF-1 and not about the fact that what you're injecting is rubbish?

Like has been discussed in the thread, there are multiple factors that could be artificially lowering/suppressing my IGF-1, and potentially they might compound with each other.

I don't want to be quick to point fingers or jump to conclusions, because it can have a huge impact on seller's reputation, which would be pretty shitty of me if there's nothing wrong with the GH.

The GH is JY Pharma 24iu kits, and they have a test for the 10iu kits that shows 11.65iu from same batch. It would be odd for the 10iu's to be fine, and the 24iu's to be bunk.

I'm considering sending it in for testing, but the $300 test cost is almost more than I paid for all of the GH...

Will see if vendor will reimburse cost (or at least partially), or potentially if other people would chip in for test.

 

[OldGHGuy]

Bunk is my guess. Not sure what Chase Irons has going on but what he does is abnormal in many ways so I wouldnt guage anything on his response. Most people respond with higher IGF-1 on GH, period, regardless.

If you dont want to spend $300 and JY doesnt compensate for testing like they should (I know nothing about them) get a couple of vials of known good GH from other vendors here and watch your IGF rise.

 

[DinoBB76]

Like has been discussed in the thread, there are multiple factors that could be artificially lowering/suppressing my IGF-1, and potentially they might compound with each other.

I don't want to be quick to point fingers or jump to conclusions, because it can have a huge impact on seller's reputation, which would be pretty shitty of me if there's nothing wrong with the GH.

The GH is JY Pharma 24iu kits, and they have a test for the 10iu kits that shows 11.65iu from same batch. It would be odd for the 10iu's to be fine, and the 24iu's to be bunk.

I'm considering sending it in for testing, but the $300 test cost is almost more than I paid for all of the GH...

Will see if vendor will reimburse cost (or at least partially), or potentially if other people would chip in for test.

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JY PHARMA it's already funny like this , we have SSA but people like to take risks and buy shit

 

[ChemBB]

JY PHARMA it's already funny like this , we have SSA but people like to take risks and buy shit

I've had good experiences with them, and the Jano tests I've seen consistently show 80-110% dose.

SSA also doesn't have domestic, with the shipping situation currently I'm not keen on ordering anything intl.

 

[ShutUpAndPump]

Like has been discussed in the thread, there are multiple factors that could be artificially lowering/suppressing my IGF-1, and potentially they might compound with each other.

I don't want to be quick to point fingers or jump to conclusions, because it can have a huge impact on seller's reputation, which would be pretty shitty of me if there's nothing wrong with the GH.

The GH is JY Pharma 24iu kits, and they have a test for the 10iu kits that shows 11.65iu from same batch. It would be odd for the 10iu's to be fine, and the 24iu's to be bunk.

I'm considering sending it in for testing, but the $300 test cost is almost more than I paid for all of the GH...

Will see if vendor will reimburse cost (or at least partially), or potentially if other people would chip in for test.

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absolutely bro, in fact I thank you for having done the blood tests to help everyone, the priority here must be the protection of all of us against those who scam us and obviously a value of around 100 of IGF-1 with 6 units of HGH indicates 99.999999% that this HGH is bunk

 

[ChemBB]

in fact I thank you for having done the blood tests to help everyone

I have pretty comprehensive bloodwork from the rest of that panel I'm willing to post, but I'm just waiting on E2 to come back since that's an important part of the picture

Not sure what's up with ultrasensitive E2 testing taking forever in the last few months, must be some nationwide issue

 

[DinoBB76]

I've had good experiences with them, and the Jano tests I've seen consistently show 80-110% dose.

SSA also doesn't have domestic, with the shipping situation currently I'm not keen on ordering anything intl.

SSA have china , EU and USA warehouse , but for example if you order big order HGH from china , is 10 max 15 days , not a big problem

 

[ChemBB]

Managed to find one online bloodwork provider selling GH labs for reasonable price ($35)

Ordered a serum GH test, scheduled for Monday. I will pin 12iu GH, 3-4 hours before the blood draw.

Growth Hormone Test

The Growth Hormone Test checks GH levels, providing insight into pituitary gland function, growth disorders, metabolism, and hormone-related health concerns.

www.ultalabtests.com

Quest Diagnostics: Test Directory

testdirectory.questdiagnostics.com

 

[Eddie.]

Managed to find one online bloodwork provider selling GH labs for reasonable price ($35)

Ordered a serum GH test, scheduled for Monday. I will pin 12iu GH, 3-4 hours before the blood draw.

Growth Hormone Test

The Growth Hormone Test checks GH levels, providing insight into pituitary gland function, growth disorders, metabolism, and hormone-related health concerns.

www.ultalabtests.com

Quest Diagnostics: Test Directory

testdirectory.questdiagnostics.com

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Don't overcomplicate it bro, it's easy to draw 10IU and not 12. Also not 3-4 hours, something between 2,5 and 3 hours max. That's when it peaks for the most individuals. 4 hours might start reducing and it won't be accurate.

 

[juicebro]

For fucks sake, estrogen LOWERS IGF CONVERSION:

It only appears to increase IGF because high estrogen increases GH levels. and despite reducing GH -> IGF efficiency, the higher GH levels are enough to overcome that reduction in conversion.

When you're using exogenous rHGH, and shutting down endogenous GH production, there's no longer a GH boost from estrogen, and all you're getting from higher estrogen is reduced GH ->. IGF conversion, and less IGF than if e2 was lower.

Thats why women have higher GH and lower IGF levels than men.

Thats why women with borderline acromegally, who have supra-physiologic levels of GH, develop symptoms AFTER menopause when the estrogen induced blunting of IGF conversion is removed because they stop making estrogen, and IGF shoots up causing acromegally symptoms.

Super high estrogen can blunt it but so does low. That's why serms and AI overuse lowers igf-1. They block estrogen in the liver = lower igf-1.

 

[ChemBB]

Don't overcomplicate it bro, it's easy to draw 10IU and not 12.

The vials are 24iu so 12iu is half a vial

Also not 3-4 hours, something between 2,5 and 3 hours max. That's when it peaks for the most individuals. 4 hours might start reducing and it won't be accurate.

Which analyses are you referencing that cite 2.5-3.0 hours for Tmax in SC administration?

Everything I've read shows 4-6 hours for SC, 2-3 hours for IM.

E.G., Broad variability in pharmacokinetics of GH following rhGH injections in children - PubMed

 

[Eddie.]

The vials are 24iu so 12iu is half a vial


Which analyses are you referencing that cite 2.5-3.0 hours for Tmax in SC administration?

Everything I've read shows 4-6 hours for SC, 2-3 hours for IM.

E.G., Broad variability in pharmacokinetics of GH following rhGH injections in children - PubMed

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No, SC is not the way to measure serum GH. Yes you can, but I very much doubt you’ll find your correct peaking time. 2,5 to 3 hours intramuscular OR 10 minutes intravenously if you are so bold.

Also, nothing wrong with pining 10 IU for the test and 14 the day after, or alter a bit your protocol for 1-2 days for the sake of testing.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Don't overcomplicate it bro, it's easy to draw 10IU and not 12. Also not 3-4 hours, something between 2,5 and 3 hours max. That's when it peaks for the most individuals. 4 hours might start reducing and it won't be accurate.

The vials are 24iu so 12iu is half a vial


Which analyses are you referencing that cite 2.5-3.0 hours for Tmax in SC administration?

Everything I've read shows 4-6 hours for SC, 2-3 hours for IM.

E.G., Broad variability in pharmacokinetics of GH following rhGH injections in children - PubMed

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For the sake of easily comparing it to loads of other Meso members who did 10 IU IM ~3 hours before blood draw

In about 2 minutes, I found 5 results: average 33 ng/mL, range 28-38

There might be better ways to do the test (with regard to dose, timing, etc) but you wouldn't know what a good result is

 

[Ateam2023]

Managed to find one online bloodwork provider selling GH labs for reasonable price ($35)

Ordered a serum GH test, scheduled for Monday. I will pin 12iu GH, 3-4 hours before the blood draw.

Growth Hormone Test

The Growth Hormone Test checks GH levels, providing insight into pituitary gland function, growth disorders, metabolism, and hormone-related health concerns.

www.ultalabtests.com

Quest Diagnostics: Test Directory

testdirectory.questdiagnostics.com

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2-3 hrs is the sweet spot, close to 3 hrs post injection as you can, intra muscular injection

 

[Ateam2023]

For the sake of easily comparing it to loads of other Meso members who did 10 IU IM ~3 hours before blood draw

In about 2 minutes, I found 5 results: average 33 ng/mL, range 28-38

There might be better ways to do the test (with regard to dose, timing, etc) but you wouldn't know what a good result is

my best was @51 on my gh serum , that was qsc hgh, then @49 on lobsters , all timed perfectly..

 

[Ateam2023]

that was lobster orange top,

 

[ShutUpAndPump]

that was lobster orange top, View attachment 347398

Did you test igf-1 while using the 2 brands that you said bro?

 

[Ateam2023]

Did you test igf-1 while using the 2 brands that you said bro?

yes , but on one i was in a steep defecit so it was lower than i would like, @200 ish , and one when i was eating at or slightly above and running a higher iu's @5 put me @390 ish ,

 

[ChemBB]

For the sake of easily comparing it to loads of other Meso members who did 10 IU IM ~3 hours before blood draw

That makes a lot of sense and is a great reason, thanks for letting me know.
For the sake of having comparable results, I will do 10iu IM, 3 hours pre-draw

Also, I messaged JY, and they shared Jano tests for the 24iu kits
(Not sure why they haven't been added to their list of results yet?)