If Democrats had their way....

[Bob Smith]

Slacker. Im a Dane, too. Not sure how far back in generations though. Maybe 2 or 3 to get back to the homeland.

Im not very familiar with presidents pre-Bush Sr, so cant really comment on those policies.

 

[eleven11]

Oh and by the way, please tell me some of the good things the Dems. have done. I must have been asleep that day.[/QUOTE]


No one. I guess my ? is answered.

 

[bearze34]

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We can also discuss the dems....but I will cut them some slack because they don't play the moral card every other minute.

I am an economist with the world bank in DC..... Bushes large deficits are going to seriously harm the economy.....market conditions dictate long term rates (not the fed)....large debt will drive up those rates hurting long term capital investment.

Wow, why am I not surprised that you would cut the Dems some slack? You are an economist, eh? Then, Mr. Economist, why don't you explain the difference between the raw number as pertains to our deficit as opposed to the % of the total budget and what that means and compare that to the deficits of the 80's, which was also supposed to be the downfall of our society as we knew it. Then, why don't you explain how higher interest rates actually increases foreign investment and how that affects our trade imbalance. Explain to us the ramifications of the "weak dollar" at home and abroad and how that ties into the deficit and the prices of imported goods as opposed to goods made here. Don't just make dubious statements and then not back them up. Educate us so that we may understand how the evil Mr. Bush has sent us on the path to sure ruin.

 

[hercules]

Manuel

I think your the one thats lying. It probably wasn't one of his top aides and you know that nobody has been charged after weeks of investigation. Tell the truth.

He did not lie to Congress everyone including Bill Clinton believed Saddam had WMD, there probably in Syria now.

I think I've established a pattern of your "truths" here.
BTW your little rant about his "lies" was impressive. Gov. Dean is that you?

 

[Phreezer]

Honestly I like John Edwards... I love a great many of his views.. BUT I do extremely dislike some of his more "liberal" views.. I do not believe in abortion.. I do not believe in same Sex marriage... Yep, I'm sure I just pissed off about 50% of the board.. Sorry, that's my oppinion and I'm going to stick to it.

Realisticly.. We both know that Kerry will win the democratic nomination.. and Although there are similar issues with Edwards that I do not agree with.. I still beieve he is a better man to lead this country than George W. Come on Bob.. you state Bush's stance on Abortion as being one of the reasons to support his campaign..but he's been in office almost 4 years and guess what...Abortion is still legal..(See my other thread for my issues with Bush)

Now what I like about Kerry

His stance on Education.. 'The Education Trust Fund I like his stance on revising the "no child left behing" crap.. My sister is a school teacher... I also like his proposals to give federal aid to State schools so Teachers will not have to be downsized and schools can keep up with the times..

I like his stance on College education tax breaks outlined in his College Opportunity Tax Credit and His "Service for College plan"

I LOVE his stance on prescription medication and his Four- step plan to give prescription coverage to medicate...

I also like his proposals for Veteran Aid...the "Mandatory funding for health care for veterans" is something I think All veterans deserve.. If we will send them all over the world to fight and die..the least we can do is take care of their health ailments...

Foreign Policy... He is the son of a Diplomat.. And I like his ideas to reverse the damage to U.S. security and leadership caused by Bushs flawed policies of unilateralism and preemptive war, and to create a new era of alliances to help stop global terrorism.

His stance's on the Environment.. big energy...Oil.. and pollution.

His stance on Crime.. He is a former Prosecuter.. I like his proposals for harsher sentences... less parole..and properly equiping the police to combat local crime..

Is that enough?

And again.. I would like and Prefer Edwards.. I love his issues on Canadian Prescriptions.. His stance on making Lobbying illegal. His education stance and Health care reform plans. His Tax reassesments, and regulating Big Energy. That's why I like this guy.. He is pretty much the anti-bush ..

 

[Manuel_Hung]

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Wow, why am I not surprised that you would cut the Dems some slack? You are an economist, eh? Then, Mr. Economist, why don't you explain the difference between the raw number as pertains to our deficit as opposed to the % of the total budget and what that means and compare that to the deficits of the 80's, which was also supposed to be the downfall of our society as we knew it. Then, why don't you explain how higher interest rates actually increases foreign investment and how that affects our trade imbalance. Explain to us the ramifications of the "weak dollar" at home and abroad and how that ties into the deficit and the prices of imported goods as opposed to goods made here. Don't just make dubious statements and then not back them up. Educate us so that we may understand how the evil Mr. Bush has sent us on the path to sure ruin.

Here u go fuck nuts.....and please read past chapter 3 in your econ 101 macro econ text.



US deficit may pose 'global risk'


Excessive fiscal deficits in the US could hurt the long-term sustainability of the American and global economies, the International Monetary Fund warned.
Recession, tax cuts and high spending for the war on terrorism have resulted in large deficits, the IMF said.

That could place upward pressure on interest rates, and pose risks for the US economy and rest of the world.

IMF Deputy director Charles Collyns, said international investors could also lose confidence in the dollar.

That, he said, could force them to consider investing elsewhere.

'Adverse consequences'

Noting the dollar's recent slide against the euro, UK pound, and yen, the IMF said an unrestrained drop could have serious consequences at home and abroad.

The IMF report said the dollar has been affected by the mushrooming US current account and budget deficits.

"This trend (of deficits) is likely to continue to put pressure on the US dollar, particularly because the current account deficit increasingly reflects low saving rather than high investment.

"Although the dollar's adjustment could occur gradually over an extended period, the possible global risks of a disorderly exchange rate adjustment, especially to financial markets, cannot be ignored," the IMF said.

"Episodes of rapid dollar adjustments failed to inflict significant damage in the past, but with US net external debt at record levels, an abrupt weakening of investor sentiments vis-a-vis the dollar could possibly lead to adverse consequences both domestically and abroad."

It also said the deficits could deter private investment within the US, impede long-term productivity growth, and endanger the vitality of social security and Medicare programs.

 

[Phreezer]

Here u go fuck nuts.....and please read past chapter 3 in your econ 101 macro econ text.



US deficit may pose 'global risk'


Excessive fiscal deficits in the US could hurt the long-term sustainability of the American and global economies, the International Monetary Fund warned.
Recession, tax cuts and high spending for the war on terrorism have resulted in large deficits, the IMF said.

That could place upward pressure on interest rates, and pose risks for the US economy and rest of the world.

IMF Deputy director Charles Collyns, said international investors could also lose confidence in the dollar.

That, he said, could force them to consider investing elsewhere.

'Adverse consequences'

Noting the dollar's recent slide against the euro, UK pound, and yen, the IMF said an unrestrained drop could have serious consequences at home and abroad.

The IMF report said the dollar has been affected by the mushrooming US current account and budget deficits.

"This trend (of deficits) is likely to continue to put pressure on the US dollar, particularly because the current account deficit increasingly reflects low saving rather than high investment.

"Although the dollar's adjustment could occur gradually over an extended period, the possible global risks of a disorderly exchange rate adjustment, especially to financial markets, cannot be ignored," the IMF said.

"Episodes of rapid dollar adjustments failed to inflict significant damage in the past, but with US net external debt at record levels, an abrupt weakening of investor sentiments vis-a-vis the dollar could possibly lead to adverse consequences both domestically and abroad."

It also said the deficits could deter private investment within the US, impede long-term productivity growth, and endanger the vitality of social security and Medicare programs.

Ahhh yes.. thank you President Bush...

 

[Phreezer]

Oh, and unless the economy takes a major crapper, I highly doubt that Bush will lose.

Wanna bet? I'll put a Franklin on the Democrats..

 

[God Size Trapps]

do you just not want to answer my question??

Why are you standing behind bush over say Edwards?

WHat's so bad about cutting back pork barrel spending???
That's the problem with government, they have to keep raising taxes because they don't want to cut other programs to balance spending. There's not enough specs given in your example.

The problem with Democrats is that they have nothing to say, they're poll watchers. They change their position when they see a niche that they feel they can bank on and when it doesn't work, they change again.
Their frustration is all too transparent when they get caught in the corner, here comes the BS negative adds. The whole GWB not being in tthe guard thing, simply shows they have nothing to say. Their current party reminds me of a bunch of high school drama queens and it's rediculous.

I'm an inedpendent and will never vote for any Democrat until they change their strategy. GWB has had to deal with issues no other president has (9/11) and has handled them successfully.

Of course, it's easy for any high school drama queen to criticize in hindsight, especially when they when orginally supported him.

 

[Sensational]

WHat's so bad about cutting back pork barrel spending???
That's the problem with government, they have to keep raising taxes because they don't want to cut other programs to balance spending. There's not enough specs given in your example.

The problem with Democrats is that they have nothing to say, they're poll watchers. They change their position when they see a niche that they feel they can bank on and when it doesn't work, they change again.
Their frustration is all too transparent when they get caught in the corner, here comes the BS negative adds. The whole GWB not being in tthe guard thing, simply shows they have nothing to say. Their current party reminds me of a bunch of high school drama queens and it's rediculous.

I'm an inedpendent and will never vote for any Democrat until they change their strategy. GWB has had to deal with issues no other president has (9/11) and has handled them successfully.

Of course, it's easy for any high school drama queen to criticize in hindsight, especially when they when orginally supported him.

Sweeping generalizations with no evidence don't hold any import here bro. It is also VERY debatable whether Bush handled post 9/11 successfully~Sensational

 

[God Size Trapps]

Honestly I like John Edwards... I love a great many of his views.. BUT I do extremely dislike some of his more "liberal" views.. I do not believe in abortion.. I do not believe in same Sex marriage... Yep, I'm sure I just pissed off about 50% of the board.. Sorry, that's my oppinion and I'm going to stick to it.

Realisticly.. We both know that Kerry will win the democratic nomination.. and Although there are similar issues with Edwards that I do not agree with.. I still beieve he is a better man to lead this country than George W. Come on Bob.. you state Bush's stance on Abortion as being one of the reasons to support his campaign..but he's been in office almost 4 years and guess what...Abortion is still legal..(See my other thread for my issues with Bush)

Now what I like about Kerry

His stance on Education.. 'The Education Trust Fund’ I like his stance on revising the "no child left behing" crap.. My sister is a school teacher... I also like his proposals to give federal aid to State schools so Teachers will not have to be downsized and schools can keep up with the times..

I like his stance on College education tax breaks outlined in his “College Opportunity Tax Credit” and His "Service for College plan"

I LOVE his stance on prescription medication and his Four- step plan to give prescription coverage to medicate...

I also like his proposals for Veteran Aid...the "Mandatory funding for health care for veterans" is something I think All veterans deserve.. If we will send them all over the world to fight and die..the least we can do is take care of their health ailments...

Foreign Policy... He is the son of a Diplomat.. And I like his ideas to reverse the damage to U.S. security and leadership caused by Bush’s flawed policies of unilateralism and preemptive war, and to create a new era of alliances to help stop global terrorism.

His stance's on the Environment.. big energy...Oil.. and pollution.

His stance on Crime.. He is a former Prosecuter.. I like his proposals for harsher sentences... less parole..and properly equiping the police to combat local crime..

Is that enough?

And again.. I would like and Prefer Edwards.. I love his issues on Canadian Prescriptions.. His stance on making Lobbying illegal. His education stance and Health care reform plans. His Tax reassesments, and regulating Big Energy. That's why I like this guy.. He is pretty much the anti-bush ..

There are programs very very similar to all of these you stated, these are not new ideas. ANd why should Fed money be spent on local schools??? That should be left to the state and local g-ments. Pumping money into local schools doesn't always yeild the results people think it will but it does create a big excuse for the schools not to succeed.

The problem with our society is that everyone wants to be a victum. Suing because you are fat, lung cancer, etc. No one wants to take responsibility for their actions, they want to point their finger. For example, the Steve Bechler saga. He was the minor league pitcher who's death was linked to ephedra, I believe a year or so ago. HIs wife sued for $600 million! That's rediculous, he would've never made 10% of that if he was lucky. Democrats fuel this trend because the base of their party and funding is TRIAL LAWYERS!!! WTF does that tell you! People need to quit being baby's and realize that they don't need the government hand every step of the way.

 

[God Size Trapps]

Oh, and unless the economy takes a major crapper, I highly doubt that Bush will lose.

I completely agree, without a doubt.

ACtually, I saw a former democ. stragegist of MSNBC saying that democ. weren't expecting to win in 04, that they were positioning themselves for congress and 08.

 

[0u812]

I completely agree, without a doubt.

ACtually, I saw a former democ. stragegist of MSNBC saying that democ. weren't expecting to win in 04, that they were positioning themselves for congress and 08.

LOL...I guess that's why bush and Kerry are neck and neck in the polls?

Actualy,,forget I said anything...this is a storm that I want no part of. I'm backing out.


www.johnkerry.com
www.johnedwards.com
Bush needs to go Out the Door in 2004'

 

[God Size Trapps]

Sweeping generalizations with no evidence don't hold any import here bro. It is also VERY debatable whether Bush handled post 9/11 successfully~Sensational

I respect your opinion bro but if you need evidence, just sit back and watch. MOst their adds use scare tactics to lure in senior citizens middle class families who are dependent or will be dependent on those programs, some of which will go backrupt in twenty some years.

This is the reason I don't vote democrat. I'm independent not republican. I think demoncrats would be better off moving foward w/o people like Ted Kennedy, people who've made careers off BS, instead of trying to make a difference. Just my 2 cents.

 

[God Size Trapps]

LOL...I guess that's why bush and Kerry are neck and neck in the polls?

Actualy,,forget I said anything...this is a storm that I want no part of. I'm backing out.


www.johnkerry.com
www.johnedwards.com
Bush needs to go Out the Door in 2004'

You're exactly right bro!

They're even now when all the spotlight is on the DEM Primary, wait til things swing back around to the other side. Not to mention polls are simply a guess taken from 1000 people to represent 290million. BUt I repsect your opinion bro, just friendly political debate!

 

[eleven11]

LOL...I guess that's why bush and Kerry are neck and neck in the polls?

Actualy,,forget I said anything...this is a storm that I want no part of. I'm backing out.


www.johnkerry.com
www.johnedwards.com
Bush needs to go Out the Door in 2004'

The media will always MAKE the polls look that way otherwise people would lose intrest.

 

[eleven11]

Oh and by the way, please tell me some of the good things the Dems. have done. I must have been asleep that day.

No one. I guess my ? is answered.[/QUOTE]



I'm STILL waiting.

 

[Bob Smith]

you state Bush's stance on Abortion as being one of the reasons to support his campaign..but he's been in office almost 4 years and guess what...Abortion is still legal..(See my other thread for my issues with Bush)

Didnt he just sign legislation banning partial birth abortion? Yes, and at least that is a step in the right direction. The chances of anyone being able to ban abortion outright is unlikely, so this is at least some improvement.

I also like his proposals to give federal aid to State schools so Teachers will not have to be downsized and schools can keep up with the times..

There is an article in todays Wall Street Journal showing that increased spending on education has had absolutely no difference in reading scores over the past 10-15 years. More money is not the solution.


I LOVE his stance on prescription medication and his Four- step plan to give prescription coverage to medicate...

I just checked out this plan on his website. Sounds pretty good, but also sounds like a major tax increase waiting to happen.


If we will send them all over the world to fight and die..the least we can do is take care of their health ailments.

I agree. The current VA system should be revamped.


Foreign Policy... He is the son of a Diplomat..

Im the son of an engineer, but that doesnt mean I know how to redesign a wetlands area to abide by EPA rules.

caused by Bushs flawed policies of unilateralism and preemptive war,

How is 40+ nations "unilateralism?" Preemptive war that was unanimously voted on by the all UN nations when they passed Resolution 1441.

His stance's on the Environment.. big energy...Oil.. and pollution.

I am for drilling in ANWAR and other means of reducing our dependence on foreign oil, particularly from the Middle East. I am 110% for a major expansion in nuclear power.


I love his issues on Canadian Prescriptions.

I have no problems with people ordering drugs from up North if it saves them some cash. This will never happen if Kerry is elected, as he is THE guy for the pharma industry.

 

[Bob Smith]

Wanna bet? I'll put a Franklin on the Democrats..

People historically vote by the economy. Its why Bush Sr lost in 1992. It wasnt till later than it was shown that the recession had already ended and the beginning of an expansion was under way.

Read Alan Greenspan's comments yesterday, it pretty much all points towards green lights for the economy, jobs and interest rates. Thats good for the Reps and bad for Dems.

Ill bet a Franklin against you. Though whats a Franklin worth? I havent seen paper money in ages.

 

[Bob Smith]

The problem with Democrats is that they have nothing to say, they're poll watchers. They change their position when they see a niche that they feel they can bank on and when it doesn't work, they change again.

This is one of the major reasons why I dislike the current bunch of candidates, especially Kerry. (Dean is just an asshole). Kerry has voted to approve so many of Bush's plans, yet is now campaigning saying that he is against them. Make up your mind Mr Kerry, Im getting whiplash from your constant changes.

Phreezer, I will agree that Edwards is the best of the bunch running.