I don’t understand how guys hop on earlier than age 25

[marsupial]

How do you even have the knowledge of everything at that point? Not just training but also all the aspects A-Z, including reliable sources, how the stuff works, how the ancillaries work, what to do for side effects, what to do when the cycle’s done, what to expect when the cycle’s done, what to expect during the cycle, how to hide it from friends and family, what to do about fertility, what to do when anxiety and anger increase during cycle (almost always happens), list goes on and on. And sure, you can’t ever be 100% prepared for your first cycle, but a few TikTok videos here and there really can’t tell you shit.

Reality is, most young guys are just doing it haphazardly, and maybe 1/10 will be better off for it, the other 9/10 it’ll be wash or they’ll fuck themselves up or set themselves back, so at the end of the day, survivorship bias rules all

 

[just some dude]

because iq and a lot of other important things are mainly genetic

 

[just some dude]

shit luck

 

[BigDadd7]

The less you know, the more you think you know

 

[marsupial]

Yep, good ol dunning kruger

 

[monster8912]

I mean most pros started at a young age and tons of athletes do as well. I myself wish I had hopped of on my early 20s instead of 30s. Anyone who is serious about their training will do the work necessary to gain the knowledge to properly run cycles. Not saying everyone should start young, but I dont hate on ppl who do.

 

[marsupial]

They may want to but I doubt it’s possible to acquire all that necessary knowledge by that age. Pro/college athletes and bodybuilders? Quintessence of survivorship bias

 

[marsupial]

I think mid 20s is probably ideal assuming you’ve done everything you can in terms of natty training and general research. You can benefit the most around that age and it’ll still be at least 1-2 more years of a learning curve

 

[Slowww]

To be honest it is not rocket science. Fundamentals are enough to stay safe and get good results if you’re not some kind of gear fiend, or lazy and you have normal genetics.
Do bloods, dont abuse, year round cardio, eat properly, train, manage estrogen correctly, use hCG, & take proper supplements to manage health and you can circumvent weird anger or anxiety whatever. Also a lot of those guys that do well have mentors or coaches. Not everyone is totally stupid at that age however surely a lot just do a bunch of roids and then ruin some aspect of health. I just met a guy like that this weekend, couldnt even tell he lifts, was blasting gear through his 20s and fucked his organs, now needs serious help managing weight but thankfully has a healthy family and is generally alright.

 

[wldb33rz]

How do you even have the knowledge of everything at that point? Not just training but also all the aspects A-Z, including reliable sources, how the stuff works, how the ancillaries work, what to do for side effects, what to do when the cycle’s done, what to expect when the cycle’s done, what to expect during the cycle, how to hide it from friends and family, what to do about fertility, what to do when anxiety and anger increase during cycle (almost always happens), list goes on and on. And sure, you can’t ever be 100% prepared for your first cycle, but a few TikTok videos here and there really can’t tell you shit.

Reality is, most young guys are just doing it haphazardly, and maybe 1/10 will be better off for it, the other 9/10 it’ll be wash or they’ll fuck themselves up or set themselves back, so at the end of the day, survivorship bias rules all

for the same reasons that teenagers in high school hop on the recreationals and harder drugs. Stupidity, fun, boredom, feelings that consequences wont befall them, etc. They just see AAS == jacked physique with the quickness and that's literally all they care about - this is also why they get severe acne/backne, start losing their hair, get gyno, and all the bad stuff explicitly because they dont know wtf they're doing. Some tolerate it better than others and are lucky and come out with the desired jacked look and spread the word that it's possible.