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How much GH needed for a bulk cycle
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Thank you. Yes Sir. Serostim. Also have some Zomacton but figured I'd start the baseline with Serostim. Eventually compare with the less expensive UG stuff.
Ateam2023
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so your now using Serostim? At what dose , 1.5 ius?
OldGHGuy
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I paid out the ass for Omnitrope for a few years before I switched to carefully selected UGL. No noticeable difference for me in terms of feel, IGF-1, sides, etc. I'll be interested to see your take/results. Good luck my friend.
From what I was able to gather, IM injection works good for (PM) pre/post-workout. I haven't researched it myself, just trying to see what others are doing that works for them. I'm thinking of splitting 4iu into morning subq and pre-workout IM.
I do all IM because it last less in the body, thus reducing insulin resistance. Of course if you do small doses splitted probably not an issue, if one is injecting 10+ IU a day it starts making a difference, plus less possible immunogenic response IM
AlexDavis43
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If you don't mind sharing, what were some of your results: GH dose vs IGF-1?
I found one from you 2.4/450; are there others?
AlexDavis43
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Disclaimer: I do IM too but this rationale is a lot of speculation.
Context: healthy bodybuilders (recreational or otherwise). Not autoimmunity or genetic deficiency kids etc
If it "last less in the body," is it also having fewer benefits? I'm lean, athletic, and insulin sensitive.
Wrt the immunogenic response, see contexts above. Healthy bodybuilders have been using loads of hGH since forever. Are they immune to their own hGH now? and what are the consequences
Juicedhead
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i take 2.5iu every night and i notice it. Ive gone up to 10iu but sides are getting annoying there tired all the time and bloated like a whale. 5iu is a solid dose for any goal.
I trade probably less lipolytic effect (less time releasing FFA) for less insulin resistance.
Do I have any proof of it? Nope. I just find it easier to inject IM or shallow IM and so I do it. If I get these benefits (less insulin resistance) for me it's a worthy trade-off. If I don't.. well I'm injecting anyway
AlexDavis43
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Fair enough.
OldGHGuy
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The numbers you found are really all there is to share. I've been pretty consistent historically (5/2, PM) and have always been around 450 although I am going to experiement with a different protocol soon.
CorgisOnTren
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You’re on quite the high horse for someone who thinks the number 15 is a complex concept
AlexDavis43
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That must explain why women lie about their age. "35 is too complex so I tell people I'm 30. So they don't get confused."
Nested
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Ah, it’s so nice to see the village idiots gathered in one place. Truly a support group for those committed to making life worse, one low-frequency thought at a time. The way you guys radiate negativity, I wouldn’t be surprised if you’re actively growing your own tumors.
Keep it up, gents—science is watchingAh, it’s so nice to see the village idiots gathered in one place. Truly a support group for those committed to making life worse, one low-frequency thought at a time. The way you guys radiate negativity, I wouldn’t be surprised if you’re actively growing your own tumors.
Ah, it’s so nice to see the village idiots gathered in one place. Truly a support group for those committed to making life worse, one low-frequency thought at a time. The way you guys radiate negativity, I wouldn’t be surprised if you’re actively growing your own tumors.
If you inject yourself to the thread here, mind at least providing some factual information and be reasonable/respectful without being an asshole and at least contribute in some way that helps or backs your opinion up?
Its a forum to exchange knowledge and not to just insult each other.
That GH can contribute to growth factors is something i am sure most people are aware of and hope they do their due diligence to check their markers and keep on top of things.
laclark89
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I know ur busy and may not have time to elaborate for a idiot like myself but I would appreciate it.
I don’t really understand your post/info. Or mechanisms for weight based vs fixed doses.
I have a hard time understanding weight based doses vs fixed dose. Logically it makes sense for every medication to go off a persons total body weight not lean body weight. Like im 250 ibs how is it possible 120 -150 pound person can take the same dose as me? I take losartan, supposedly it’s a fixed dose. I take 50 a day when I’m in the low 200 pounds and when I get to 250 I need 100 to maintain blood pressure, not sure if that’s due to health or just body weight/mass?
But I think u described it as body surface area that could be understood as fat or muscle mass/ height? So gh is basically a weight based drug all in all? That in my mind I think all compounds should be?
How about aas? Should it first be Based off experience/tolerance first and second body weight/ mass or surface area ? Just like alcohol? I’m 6’3 and I’ve heard a lot of coaches and super knowledgeable people talk say tall guys need more gear? And they talk about height specifically not weight or surface area?
Also u do think 1 bolus is best, probably pm? Sorry I read into a lot of ur stuff on gh and everything I just have a super poor retention of knowledge, im maxed out if I wanted to make space and learn new stuff here I would have to forget other important calculations and procedures my career requires.
AlexDavis43
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Ah, it’s so nice to see the village idiots gathered in one place. Truly a support group for those committed to making life worse, one low-frequency thought at a time. The way you guys radiate negativity, I wouldn’t be surprised if you’re actively growing your own tumors.
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intense_bulldoze
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To be fair, people were being an asshole to @Nested first.
If people really want a reasonable/respectful conversation with factual information, maybe, just maybe, if people don't begin by acting like an asshole, they might not receive a disrespectful response.
I don't get how anyone can be offended or displeased with the discourse after they come at someone first with insults.
