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how do carbs help with muscle
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bg65
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people on very low or no carb diets have a very hard time building muscle, and also when glycogen stores get low, the muscles can appear flat i have talked to people on low carb diets who say that when they work out they fatigue faster, it's because there is not very much glycogen in the muscles or liver, muscle tissue itself is made from amino acids, but your body also needs a good amount of healthy carbs to build muscle
carbs raise insulin,and insulin carries protein(amino acids) to the muscle.correct?what exactly is glycogen and how does it effect muscle with regards to carbs?also,how do people on no carb diets build muscle if there is no insulin spike to carry the proetein?
thank you for your responses.
low or no carb diets have a very hard time building muscle, and also when glycogen stores get low, the muscles can appear flat i have talked to people on low carb diets who say that when they work out they fatigue faster, it's because there is not very much glycogen in the muscles or liver, muscle tissue itself is made from amino acids, but your body also needs a good amount of healthy carbs to build muscle[/QUOTE]
thank you for your responses.
low or no carb diets have a very hard time building muscle, and also when glycogen stores get low, the muscles can appear flat i have talked to people on low carb diets who say that when they work out they fatigue faster, it's because there is not very much glycogen in the muscles or liver, muscle tissue itself is made from amino acids, but your body also needs a good amount of healthy carbs to build muscle[/QUOTE]
macattack
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A big chunk of bread before i workout is great try it about an hour or so before give it time to digest good pump and stamina.
eleven11
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Atkins and BB don't go together. It's ok to cut carbs when your dieting but IMO it should be done gradually over a 12-15 wk period............11
ThePerpetrator
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j martini said:
That is great info, which I was not aware of... Thanks!
asiasbitch
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I am surprised....
The true answer is that carbs contain nutrients besides carbohydrates that are necessary to interact with amino acids and essential fats in order for the body on numerous levels to function properly.... Got that one from reducedfatdiets.com
The true answer is that carbs contain nutrients besides carbohydrates that are necessary to interact with amino acids and essential fats in order for the body on numerous levels to function properly.... Got that one from reducedfatdiets.com
What you say is terrible for me.
I have started a new diet, a week ago, with 3 meals amongst 7 without carbs. I'm getting twice as much proteins as before, three times less carbs as before, 12 times more fat (good oils). I can't lift as much as usually and I'm on gear (I should lift more as usually). Does that mean that proteins are not properly assimilated ? Besides that, I'm a diabetic and need an injection with each carb meal. For meals without carbs, I don't get any slin.
I have started a new diet, a week ago, with 3 meals amongst 7 without carbs. I'm getting twice as much proteins as before, three times less carbs as before, 12 times more fat (good oils). I can't lift as much as usually and I'm on gear (I should lift more as usually). Does that mean that proteins are not properly assimilated ? Besides that, I'm a diabetic and need an injection with each carb meal. For meals without carbs, I don't get any slin.
cathex
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mxim said:
Carbohydrates serve four principle roles in the body three of which are of particular importance to the bodybuilder. See below.
Energy Source:
The carbs you ingest in your diet are broken down into glucose and resythesized into glycogen which is stored in the mucsles and liver. This serves as the primary source of energy in particular for high intensity exercise such as is the case with bodybuilding. However we do have a relatively limited storage capacity for it and it is a well known fact that excess carbs over and above requirements will convert to FAT. Carb intake should therefore represent about 60% of total caloric intake and be in the form of predominantly unrefined fibre-rich fruits, grains and vegetables.
One of the best times to take carbs is immediatley after your workout since your muscles are depleated of glycogen and will soak up the carbs like a sponge, especially if they are high GI carbs which cause the insulin surge. Add some whey protein and that will also be shuttled into the muscles as its constituent aminos. However, carbs are of primary importance here. Want the pump and sustained energy in the gym? Then get the carbs!
Protein Sparer:
Insufficent carbs will significantly affect the metabolic mixture. Glycogen depletion will trigger glucose synthesis from proteins (amino acids) by the process of gluconeogenic conversion and muscle is the most susceptible to this. Yes, your hard earned muscle can end up in the blood stream as glucose and used as energy.
Metabolic primer:
The by-products from carbohydrates facilitate the catabolism of fat. If carbs are too limited or depleted then fat mobilization exceeds fat oxidation resulting in incomplete fat breakdown leading to an accumulation of ketone bodies. This is a harmful condition known as acidosis.
Hope this helps. Peace out bro.
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jago25_98
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Hmm....
I'm not sure about this quite yet.
But I am sure that changing diets makes a big difference to my workout.
When I first changed to low carb things went ok.
After about 3 days my work outswere fine but felt perhaps a little more fat burning and I guess probably less building muscle. Anaerobic workouts in particular were much much easier.
When I went back on to carbs I wasn't able to workout hardly at all; I felt sick and week.
Once the body is used to burning fat it's ok since this is an efficient store - it's like getting through the wall of hunger, once you're used to it it's ok.
But I haven't had enough experience to say whether it effects muscle building anecdotally; this would takes years of proper dieting I feel.
I feel that carbs weigh you down but that this is useful in repair.
Has anyone else noticed this with diet?
The best example I can think of is to try eating the usual carb diet and then a chocolate bar 30mins before a workout and to compare that with eating nothing but protein starting the night before.
^ try this and see for yourself; strange how carbs seem to drain energy?!
Perhaps carbs kick the body into repair so when you exercise you're busy repairing??
Thoughts?
I'm not sure about this quite yet.
But I am sure that changing diets makes a big difference to my workout.
When I first changed to low carb things went ok.
After about 3 days my work outswere fine but felt perhaps a little more fat burning and I guess probably less building muscle. Anaerobic workouts in particular were much much easier.
When I went back on to carbs I wasn't able to workout hardly at all; I felt sick and week.
Once the body is used to burning fat it's ok since this is an efficient store - it's like getting through the wall of hunger, once you're used to it it's ok.
But I haven't had enough experience to say whether it effects muscle building anecdotally; this would takes years of proper dieting I feel.
I feel that carbs weigh you down but that this is useful in repair.
Has anyone else noticed this with diet?
The best example I can think of is to try eating the usual carb diet and then a chocolate bar 30mins before a workout and to compare that with eating nothing but protein starting the night before.
^ try this and see for yourself; strange how carbs seem to drain energy?!
Perhaps carbs kick the body into repair so when you exercise you're busy repairing??
Thoughts?
Desibaba
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Also keep in consideration that carbs and protein should work in a see-saw way.When you dramatically increase your carb intake (3 grams per pound of bodyweight) you can eat sometimes less than a 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight and still grow.When you decrease carb intake dramatically its a smart idea to up your protein to around 2 grams per pound of bodyweight. When you cut both protein and carbs at the same time you body will enter an extreme catabolic state.
Thats a good point jay cutler is a prime example of this he eats over a thousand grams of carbs a dat and only about 200-250g protein he doesnt need more than this because all the protein is being used for what is intended to do build and repair muscle tissue not provide an energy source i have discovered that i gro best with high carbs and moderate protein
bg65
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everything cathex said is correct...the thing with the chocolate bar is crazy! why would you even eat chocolate 30 mins before a workout? the reason you feel less energetic is that the sugar in the chocolate bar spiked your insulin and then a half hour later you are coming down from the rush of sugar which makes you feel lethargic...carbs absolutely are the body's preferred source of NRG they are the easiest to utilize for NRG also, the human body is still very old fashioned in it's preservation mechanisms-your body sees huge muscles as a liability, they require a lot of nutrients to keep up (it's like the gas that goes into a huge V8 engine) fat requires very little if any nutrients to maintain and if your body thinks that it is starving, which low carb diets can do, your body WILL start to break down muscle... low carb diets are absolutely useless if someone is trying to build muscle...you have to have ample nutrients (carbs included) so that your body knows it is a good condition to build muscle...now the guy that is diabetic...you should be careful with carbs, I would ask your doctor what he recommends (tell him you are using AAS, which you should have anyway because they can heighten sensitivity to insulin) as to the chocolate bar guy...what does your diet look like? both with carbs and now without? the only thing I can think of is that with the low carbs your insulin levels are more stable, but this is also true when you eat complex carbs, not chocolate bars
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