Hi I Am New. This is what high E2 did to me.

[pmgamer18]

Hi all I am a new member. I can't help but wonder why the drug Co.'s never say a thing about high E2 or try to make a drug that makes T go up with out bring up E2. I have few links that show if your T is low and your E2 is high you need to treat the high E2 first.

So when my Dr. sees a new patient that has low T and high E2 he treats the high E2 first. After a month he checks them again and if the E2 came down and the T went up he does not put them on testosterone meds. But he keeps and eye on them, some after 4 to 6 months keeping there E2 down there T starts to go back down and they need to go on T. meds.

Now for me and a lot of men I have talked to that have panic attacks and low T. the panic started after going on T meds. My panic started when I hit 52 yrs. of age I was on T meds. for 6 or 7 yrs. And around the same time I started getting a rash, the rash was always in the same places on my body. Spots not parts of the body like most people get on there legs or arms. I get spots on the back of my calf's, under my arm above my pit holding the arm up. And in one arm pit this one is the worst. I have gotten hives from eating shrimp never had this problem in my life.

Also around this time I was on shots then went to a European formula that had DHEA and Testosterone, made for me at a compounding Pharmacy. This worked good for me but still had the problem. Then came the patch and the gel no relief. I have been on a drug for panic attacks called Xanax at one time I was taking a high dose .5 mgs. 3 x's a day. This helped but still had the attacks just not as bad. I was not calling EMS any more.

Last year I read about high E2 in men and it is not just old men like most articles I have read. Here in the states I feel we spray to much shit on the crops and pump the meat up with to many hormones so they are heaver at the time of sale. Doing this is causing a lot of the problems both men and women.

The first thing I felt after getting my E2 down was I was not feeling hot and sweating all day and night. Then I felt more calm not so edgy. Then the sex part I had bad ED, could not reach an orgasm, I had a low pain in my prostate with slow voiding and no desire to have sex. The first thing that came back was morning wood again, I have tried Viagra and it never worked that night I took a pill and for the first time in yrs. we had sex. I felt like I could reach an orgasm but my wife was getting sore. So we got me there manually. The next time we did it I did not take a pill it was hard enough to have sex and I reached an orgasm almost to fast. My wife felt that taking a pill made it better for her so my Dr. gave me Cilais 20 mgs. I take it every 72 hrs. And my sex life was back after all these years.

My Dr. got my E2 down using Arimidex but this is to strong to keep taking to maintain my E2 at a normal level. I was going to low and this to me is just as bad but I don't get the panic when I am to low. The sex dies and and the fatigue is bad alone with bad brain fog.

This is when I posted at the Yahoo group that I was taking a 1/4 of Arimidex pill every 6 days and going to low. David Z got back to me and told me to try DIM I told him I did try it and he asked me what I used. As it turns out I try the wrong kind I got the one he said to take after my Dr.'s approval. My first blood test on this came back up around 35 here in the states at my lab the range is <20 to 56 pg/mL so this was good. I was so surprised to see that I was thinking about sex a lot and started getting hard with out touching it. Just looking at a good looking model on TV I was getting hard. David Z told me this would happen using Indolplex with DIM but at 61 yrs. age I didn't believe him.

This is getting long and I am not very good a righting so I will get to the point. I have to add shots to my Gel that I use to get my levels higher so my joints and muscles would stop hurting. But doing this drove up my E2 and the panic and rash came back. My Dr. told me to try taking a 1/4 of a Arimidex pill when this happens to see if I get relief I did this and got relief. Yet every time I get a shot now down to 100 mgs every other week my E2 jumps up in less then 6 hrs. after the shot. I don't want to stop this because the pain I was having was so bad I could hardly walk.

I got a shot yesterday and the surge was felt but the E2 did not go up so bad the Indoplex with DIM kept it down so maybe this is the right amount for me.

I just hope this story helps others to under stand what happens to me but we are all not the same what works for me may not work for others. But you have to keep at it until you find the right mix.
Today I am not doing Testim 10 grams my Dr. let me up it to 12.5 and we stopped the shots to see if it is a higher level that makes the pain in the joints and muscles go away or is it the shot. Well at 12.5 geams my pain was coming back so we upped it to 15 geams. Hell my E2 was going nuts and my joints and muscles hurt so bad it was had to walk again. So last Wed. we stopped my using the Tesim and went to a 100 mg. shot ever week.
Here it is Sat and I am doing very good My E2 has come down and I am only now taking the Indoplex with DIM no need for the 1/4 of a pill of Arimidex.
I am taking one pill I have tried other brands of DIM and they did not work. Plus taking it is bring down my high DHT.
http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html
I live in Mi and have been following Dr. John for some time and My Dr. has read some of his work very impressive. I am lucky to have my Dr. G.Stevens we both have come a long way in learning about Low T. I have had this for over 21 yrs and have to say in the last 2 yrs. have been my best.
Phil

 

[Weatherlite]

Wow, very interesting! Some of us agree with your views on E and it's effects on the libido. That's my belief as well except my probs are from too high total E and no one can tell me how to get that number down.

Your story is encouraging though. There is hope!

 

[pmgamer18]

Is it Estrogen of Estradol

I was on a lot of T. doing Testim 10 grams and getting a 100 mg. shot every other week. I was keeping my E2 down with Indolplex/DIM I am a member to a lot of groups and my mission in life is to make sure other men don't go through that shit I did.

The first Time I got my Dr. to test me we did not know about testing E2 Estradiol so we tested my Total Estrogen. It was high 384 pg/mL range<200 dated 07/10/2003. At the time I was on a lot of Testosterone meds. 10 grams of Testim and a 200 mg. Depo shot every other week. I has just read Dr. Shippens book and so I went on Zinc/Copper starting at 100 mgs. a day. This helped my problem with my skin and eating shrimp causing me hives was gone.

But my next test, I get tested every 4 to 6 weeks was still high 312 but down from 384 but now I had found out about high E2 Estradiol and we tested this. My test came back at 89 pg/mL range <20 to 56. But we still had no idea what to do to get it down so my Dr. tried Raloxifene (Evista) this did nothing so I printed out this and gave it to my Dr. to get him to try Arimidex.
http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=150estro
The first 4 weeks taking one half a one mg. pill every other day did nothing. So we tried it everyday and my levels came down from 89 to 24.7. And my Total and Free T. went off the charts. Total T went up to 1456 range 181 to 758 age >49 yet my Dr. uses this range for age 20 to 49 it being 262 to 1593 ng/dL and my Free T was >50 range 20 to 39 yrs. 8.8 to 27 pg/mL. My Total Estrogen was down 147 from 312. So we stopped the shots and for 8 months my levels leveled off to Total T 607, Free T 23 and E2 up and down between <20 to 30 most of the time to low. I had very bad joint and muscle pain to the point I was house bound and had trouble waking I am now 61 so my Dr.'s thinking is Arthritis so Zioxx then Celebrex. In the mean time I read a post at the Yahoo group from a guy who had joint pain and went back on shots and got relief. I looked back in my journal and found that I had this problem when ever I got an infection and my levels came down this was my first complaint. So my Dr. put me back on shots with the Testim I told him I would rather just do the shots but no he needed to try adding shots first in 4 weeks on 100 mg. shots every week doing Testim 10 grams my pain was gone but my E2 was going nuts. I was waking up in the middle of the night socking wet and in a full blown panic attack. I called my Dr. and he said to take a 1/4 of a Arimidex and to stay on the Idolpoex/DIM I got relief in less then 2 hrs. But I needed to take any where from 1/4 a pill a day to 1/2 a pill. My next test came back my Total and Free T way to high E2 was 25 ok and E1 178 but doing a lot of Arimidex with Indolplex/DIM. So we did find that using both Arimidex and Indolplex/DIM did keep my E2 and E1 down. As I said in my first post all of my problems are gone last night my NE's were so hard that woke me up hurting and had to wait 5 to 10 min. for it to go down so I could pee. I have found that most of my trouble is from high E2 that E1 high or lower did not make that much of a difference.

I switched to Indolplex/DIM because just taking 1/4 of Arimidex every 6 days doing just Testim 10 grams my levels came back <20 we had no idea how far below 20. I had read about having my E2 tested using "The Nichols Estradiol Assay (Extraction/Chromatography/RIA Method) would be the best way to test E2 so we tried the only lab we could find here in Mi. was Quest. We tried to get them to do the test 3 times and they did a test for women. The last time my Dr. called the lab and a Tech. said send the test to him and he would do the Nichols test on my E2 my Dr. told him just do the E2 using Nichols Assay. The dam test result came back and the Ass Hole did all of my Tests using the Nichols method. Now we had apples to oranges no idea where my Total and Free T was. My BCBS would not pay for it so Quest is trying to get me to pay for there screw up. I wish we could find a lab that will do the Nichols Assay test but no luck.

I feel from what I went though it is the high E2 that does in ones sex life.
Phil

 

[Weatherlite]

I feel from what I went though it is the high E2 that does in ones sex life.
Phil

And yet there are those like me who have E2 in the normal range who are still having probs.