12 weeks for me. If I cruise on Test only, around 250mg/wk. If I keep the nandrolone for joints, I do 200 Test and 100 Deca. You could always stick with the Mix and just do .25 mL twice a week. That would get you to the 200mg Test and 100mg Nandrolones.
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Good cruise dose following a bulk?
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Thanks. Will you run 200 test and 100 deca for 12 weeks before your next blast and how’s your lipid profile on that cruise?
I appreciate your advice
Yes, give or take. Depending on labs. Two supplements you might consider are Citrus Bergamot and Liv52. They have favorable studies for improving lipids. Liv52 is intended to improve liver health, hence the name. When I take orals, I add extra Liv52 and TUDCA. I'm not the herbal guru, so do some research and see if they sound good to you. I used to take Niacin to help with lipids, but that can add extra stress on your liver, so I changed it up. My levels fall back in line quickly with those supps. Cardio really helps get the HDL up. Also recommend 100mg of Vitamin B6 if you use Nandrolones. I can keep prolactin down with just B6 and haven't needed caber, etc.
300mg test U every other week puts me right at 600 total t right before my next shot, with insanely high free test. That is what works for me. If I was doing test e I might do like 70 mg twice a week or maybe as low as 60mg.
the point of a cruise is to get within a normal range. 200mg+ is a permablast and is not so healthy long term. If you wana get cheeky add 100mg primo per week for a great look!
the point of a cruise is to get within a normal range. 200mg+ is a permablast and is not so healthy long term. If you wana get cheeky add 100mg primo per week for a great look!
Bigcoachmurp
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The primo didn’t affect your cholesterols at that dose
@malfeasance what you want is super easy.
Just run 250 Test ew + 10iu HGH ed.
If you check on Professionalmuscle, Stu Sutherland runs that post show and holds all his size and gets healthier.
Consider that he is an Open Pro bodybuilder...
Just run 250 Test ew + 10iu HGH ed.
If you check on Professionalmuscle, Stu Sutherland runs that post show and holds all his size and gets healthier.
Consider that he is an Open Pro bodybuilder...
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malfeasance
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Thanks. This thread is now more than four years old, though.
After I hit 251 pounds, I pulled the plug on competitive bodybuilding for good. I tried to eat a little more like normal people (although I could not adjust to three meals a day, so I dropped down to 4). I spent two years with testosterone at 75mg a week. At some point during that still was not dropping body weight or blood pressure well enough to suit me . . . but I was not doing extreme bodybuilding prep type dieting, either, and every time I got back in the gym I would put weight back on, so I ended up taking 9 months out of the gym, which got me down into the 220s.
Late 50s now, blood pressure reasonably under control with medication, and competitive bodybuilding is behind me.
I keep my testosterone at 120mg a week now, because my e2 was in the single digits at 75mg.
I can train now and enjoy it, without feeling the need to get that last 1%, LOL.
Why do you keep your testosterone dose so low?
A protocol of 250 mg of Test E per week generally places you at the upper end of the reference range for adolescents. I don’t know if you were ever on GH15.org, but GHLR3 once wrote an excellent post on the hormonal reference ranges typical of puberty.
The greatest advantage of maintaining hormone levels within the pubertal range is the profound sense of well-being, drive, and productivity it tends to confer.
If I were in your position, I would at least aim to reach pubertal levels for total testosterone and thyroid hormones and then see whether you experience the expected benefits.
I am 43 years old and started using gear at 33. At the moment I am a lean 242 lbs at 6'0", and I am struggling to eat enough to continue growing; for me, consuming 4,000 clean calories a day is often a real challenge. For this reason, I decided to reduce my total dosage to around 1.5 g + a vial of generic HGH daily, and simply stay lean year-round. I definitely plan to taper the gear down even further. Just by eating intuitively, I have already lost 9 lbs water and some fat, since I was 251 when I decided merely to “maintain.”
What frightens me most is the idea of losing performance in the gym, because I enjoy training so deeply.
malfeasance
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Check back in a decade and a half or so and let us know if you still feel the same way.
Damn mate our body changes so much?
malfeasance
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You are 43.
I can remember being 43.
LOL
You probably already notice some changes past 40 from when you were younger, but they are minor.
There are more past 50, and, at least for me, more as I get into my late 50s, and each stage is more pronounced than the changes at 40 or so, which seem extremely minor in comparison.
And at late 50s, just looking around at guys in their mid 60s, I know there are some more extreme changes coming for me in the next few years.
I tend to be "younger" than a lot of guys. I have been all of my life. When I was in my late 30s, almost 40, I remember some guy going on at a meeting about how "when I was your age" - I finally stopped him and said, "How old are you?" and he responded 31. LOL.
I see competitors on stage in the master classes, and their body looks old. I notice most of them that way. You will see, for example, the sagginess in the chest, that fold of skin that is visible from the lower chest going back along the side of the body toward the lat. Notice that? Go visit the NPC web site, look up some competitions in your area, and look at the guys in the master classes. You will notice it with guys in their 40s, but almost everybody in their 50s, and everybody in their 60s. I still do not have that look, yet. It can't be far away.
Everybody ages. You will, too. You don't really think that the 85 year old man you see just woke up that way all at once? LOL. You have been slowly aging from the time you were somewhere from in your late teens to early 20s, depending upon when you developed and came of age (it's different for everybody, but was very late for me). Slowly, every year. It is so slow, that you really do not notice it much when you are 29, 30, 31, and so on. You may not even notice it much at 43, although you can probably tell some differences by that age. It just keeps happening, every day, little by little, until you are that elderly man and one day things stop working so much that you die.
malfeasance
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This was me half a decade or so ago at 53. Anybody can feel free to disagree and say I was already showing signs of being elderly, but I think not yet back then.
Nevertheless, it was in the year or so after this, as I was trying to put on more stage weight, that I ran into the problem of, "If I keep doing this, I am going to have a serious problem and maybe die." I was 251 pounds, and my progress was great. I was doing everything I needed, the hormones I needed, the food I needed, carefully tracked, and intense training, and things were increasing, I was getting bigger, weights were going up . . . but
my blood pressure was going up, too. Each couple of pounds came with a small bump in blood pressure, each small bump easy enough to ignore on its own, but, cumulatively, not so easy to ignore until it was too high for me to continue without major risk. I was already on one blood pressure medication, and it was alarmingly high.
Age and blood pressure are related, and your body will tolerate less hormones and less body weight as you get older. And no, it does not matter if it is muscle or fat, body weight and mass must have blood pumped to it, perhaps more so if it is muscle.
BMI matters, even though folks will automatically react badly to that suggestion, declaring, "But BMI does not account for muscle!" usually shouted by some delusional fat body.
It matters.
Cardio matters.
Steroids matter.
Age matters.
I can't control age, and neither can you, but you can control the hormones you use, your body weight, and your cardio. At 43, be aware of this stuff and realize that you are not 23. It will help you to do everything more responsibly.
I will now get off my soap box.
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This was me half a decade or so ago at 53. Anybody can feel free to disagree and say I was already showing signs of being elderly, but I think not yet back then.
Nevertheless, it was in the year or so after this, as I was trying to put on more stage weight, that I ran into the problem of, "If I keep doing this, I am going to have a serious problem and maybe die." I was 251 pounds, and my progress was great. I was doing everything I needed, the hormones I needed, the food I needed, carefully tracked, and intense training, and things were increasing, I was getting bigger, weights were going up . . . but
my blood pressure was going up, too. Each couple of pounds came with a small bump in blood pressure, each small bump easy enough to ignore on its own, but, cumulatively, not so easy to ignore until it was too high for me to continue without major risk. I was already on one blood pressure medication, and it was alarmingly high.
Age and blood pressure are related, and your body will tolerate less hormones and less body weight as you get older. And no, it does not matter if it is muscle or fat, body weight and mass must have blood pumped to it, perhaps more so if it is muscle.
BMI matters, even though folks will automatically react badly to that suggestion, declaring, "But BMI does not account for muscle!" usually shouted by some delusional fat body.
It matters.
Cardio matters.
Steroids matter.
Age matters.
I can't control age, and neither can you, but you can control the hormones you use, your body weight, and your cardio. At 43, be aware of this stuff and realize that you are not 23. It will help you to do everything more responsibly.
I will now get off my soap box.
malfeasance
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Appreciate it, thanks.
But please pay attention to your blood pressure and dosages and make sure to make full recovery on your blood tests in between cycles, especially cholesterol values and all of that. It is much, much more important in middle age than for younger bodybuilders. The effects just are not the same.
And all your size won't go away between cycles just because you bring your testosterone levels down into the normal physiological range. That is just BS. If you stay elevated, your body never recovers, and your arteries never get a break.
The changes are cumulative over time and basically irreversible. <--- Some may debate that, but the evidence is sketchy, and I think even the other side of the debate will concede that you cannot reverse it all of the way. Please keep those things in mind.
But please pay attention to your blood pressure and dosages and make sure to make full recovery on your blood tests in between cycles, especially cholesterol values and all of that. It is much, much more important in middle age than for younger bodybuilders. The effects just are not the same.
And all your size won't go away between cycles just because you bring your testosterone levels down into the normal physiological range. That is just BS. If you stay elevated, your body never recovers, and your arteries never get a break.
The changes are cumulative over time and basically irreversible. <--- Some may debate that, but the evidence is sketchy, and I think even the other side of the debate will concede that you cannot reverse it all of the way. Please keep those things in mind.
RocketSurge0n
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If you’re competing, I’d imagine you jump into a cut cycle after a month or two on cruise. If your labs look good I’d just go right into a cut cycle IMO. Obviously you’ll need a few weeks to let the new muscle tissue settle before the cut.
