Frustrating homebrew!!

[Big_paul]

you have that right bro, anything 5% or above is going to destroy muscle tissue. bb should be your main solvent. it is 10x more effective as a solvent than ba. if you disagree ,suit yourself ,its your ass. i would never use more than 1-2%ba. its toxic to muscle tissue.

 

[Big_paul]

Why would anyone use 20% BB? Or why would and oven be used? If you are saying that the hormone will dissolve and of course suspend in that level of BB, what would the heat be for?

You also state that after it is filtered, heat it....filtereing would be the final step. Filtering through a .2 micron filter will leave finished product sterilized, an over wont, thats archaic.

am i wrong or did you say you used 20% bb? its your post bro. that is what you said, not me. A typo maybe? just trying to help you sort things out, no offence intended. personally i don't give a fuck what you do holl, its your ass not mine.

 

[Big_paul]

okay so not your post hole, but i still don't give a fuck about your attitude. wpdman no offence intended. i thought it was hole who made the post. don't use 20%bb and i still think it was test prop you were using. looks just like it, the amount of bb you were using should have dissolved the powder ester you were using, or eveny prop, if that is what it is, no problem. assuming you dissolve it completely before adding oil.
no comments from the peanut gallery hole. less talk and more reading is good advice for you.

 

[WpbMan]

Lol this forum is nuts. Ill back down the BB. Also. Ill include that the powder was super hard to dissolve. Had to use alot of heat. The melting point is 209 for cyp right? And right as I added the oil it clouded up.

 

[Big_paul]

Lol this forum is nuts. Ill back down the BB. Also. Ill include that the powder was super hard to dissolve. Had to use alot of heat. The melting point is 209 for cyp right? And right as I added the oil it clouded up.

i hear you bro. do back down on the bb. thats why i'm saying someting doesnt sound right. you should not even have to use heat with that much bb, not to say i would use that much. the only test i have ever seen do that was test prop even at high % off bb , its hard as fuck to dissolve .. looked just like that bro.
just didn't appreciate the attitude from hole. hey we are all in this together and that is the reason for this forum. have some fucking respect.

 

[WpbMan]

Lol understandable my man. I wonder if I got bunk ass powder. The finished shit smells just like good cypionate I used to get though. And the enanthate from the same source brewed so perfectly! Im stumped.

 

[ThunderNuts]

Lol understandable my man. I wonder if I got bunk ass powder. The finished shit smells just like good cypionate I used to get though. And the enanthate from the same source brewed so perfectly! Im stumped.

the clouding up as soon as you added the oil still sounds like there is water in your solution.
As for the stuff you got, they could have sent you prop instead of cyp. nobody is perfect, but it would suck getting short ester when you expect long ester.

 

[WpbMan]

I wonder if the steam from the pot of water condensed a little into my little glass beaker set up. Or my powder wasnt dry. Any way to dry powder

 

[Holl]

20% bb should dissolve 2,5 grams of cyp with no problems. you don't even need to heat it. i don't know what you have but its not test cyp if that is what you are seeing.
once you have it filtered heat it at 275 for 40 min, if you are using 10ml vials to sterilize. burning oil doesn't even enter into the equation. if you are heating it on a stovetop in water, that could be the problem. if so preheat the oven to 275 and use that instead.
the only time i have ever seen any kind of test not stay in solution is test prop when trying to dose higher than 100 mg/ml and not using enough bb. test e & cyp should never be a problem.
i've been using raws for 15 years and never seen anything like what you are describing.
your problem is solubility and that should not be happening with the ester you are using.

Am I missing something? Are you Big Paul? Is this your quote above where you are telling OP that 20%BB should dissolve 2.5 grams of Cyp?

And now this "you have that right bro, anything 5% or above is going to destroy muscle tissue. bb should be your main solvent. it is 10x more effective as a solvent than ba. if you disagree ,suit yourself ,its your ass. i would never use more than 1-2%ba. its toxic to muscle tissue."

Basskiller offers his advice on this brew in this thread....6% BB, can you please enlighten us on how the legeng named Basskiller is incorrect?

How should BB be my main solvent if its not even needed in most long esters? 10x more effective than BA?????? Really? Is there an option NOT to use BA?
It is our bacteriostatic agent, how is that an option....since I can see you are honestly completely lacking in any basic knowledge,guess what..
Baking in an oven will not sterilize your gear
BA will not sterilize your gear
Filtering through a .02 micron Filter WILL give you a sterilized final product.
Using BA as a bacteriostic agent WILL inhibit growth of bacteria, NOT KILL THEM.

So yes suit myself and it is my ass, but I will use BA 100% of the time in all my injectables and only use BB on hormones that will not suspend in just carrier oil and BA.

But of course ANYONE who has any clue about brewing, should already know that.

You are honestly dangerous to inexperienced users because you actually act like you know what you are saying. Comments like 5% BB will destroy muscle, back it up,period.

Have you ever seen pharmacuetical levels of Benzyl Benzoate or BA, approved by the FDA in Testosterone injections?

Please stop..........

 

[Holl]

i hear you bro. do back down on the bb. thats why i'm saying someting doesnt sound right. you should not even have to use heat with that much bb, not to say i would use that much. the only test i have ever seen do that was test prop even at high % off bb , its hard as fuck to dissolve .. looked just like that bro.
just didn't appreciate the attitude from hole. hey we are all in this together and that is the reason for this forum. have some fucking respect.

My attitude is my complete amazement at your posts.....

Test prop hard ass fuck to dissolve? Just because its high melting point doesnt mean its hard to dissolve. If you disagree I will be happy to post a video of how easily my Test Prop at 100mg/ml 3% BA, 5%BB suspends.

You cannot just say shit that simply is not true and not expect someone to take and offense, and you cannot offer incorrect information to people who are looking for guidance from experienced members, it is irresponsible and dangerous.

 

[Big_paul]

i will keep it brief. ba only as a solvent is new to me, in the last 15 years i have never read anything like it. how long have you been at this?
looking into ba toxicity would be a good place for you to start. using bb as the main solvent makes me dangerous? Holl we are not on the same page. sorry.

 

[Holl]

i will keep it brief. ba only as a solvent is new to me, in the last 15 years i have never read anything like it. how long have you been at this?
looking into ba toxicity would be a good place for you to start. using bb as the main solvent makes me dangerous? Holl we are not on the same page. sorry.

You have no clue what you are talking about and not big enough of a person to admit it.

BA cannot be excluded, it HAS TO BE USED, it is the only thing in that bottle that will keep bacteria from growing.

Are you actually saying that I am the 1st person to discover in the past 15 years that, EQ, Deca, Test Enanthate, Tren Acetate and others will suspend in pure oil and BA?

Deca will hold easily at 300mg/ml, Test Enanthate at 300mg/ml, Tren Ace at 100mg/ml with ZERO BB. So if it is not a necessary component, why would you use it? Why would you put more chemicals into a bottle that eventually ends up injected into your body if its NOT NECESSARY? And you want to claim that BB will destroy muscle tissue? Then if you didnt need it in the formula,WHY ADD IT?

How long have I been at this? Long enough to know if a guy suggests using 20% BB and an oven, he has no idea what he is saying.

A person is dangerous to be giving advice he is not knowledgeable or qualified about to people who might actually take that advice and apply it to a product that will be injected intramuscular and possible cause an infection or sickness.

 

[WpbMan]

Keep going! This is a very informational argument.

 

[Big_paul]

Holll you have mentioned filtering several times, and you have said it should be the last step in the process. the difference between what i say and your arguement is that after i filter i use heat. that is the only difference i use the same filter. and i use bb for the main solvent with a small amount of ba as a preservative. I have never read any post on this board until now that suggests that ba should be the only solvent.
every thing i know about home brew i have learned here. i think that is true in your case. the only difference between the two of us is that i have been reading post on this board for fifteen years.
neither of us are experts or can site experts. i not saying you are dangerous though, only that your gear is more likely to cause pip. that is all i have to say on this topic, its over.

 

[Big_paul]

You have no clue what you are talking about and not big enough of a person to admit it.

BA cannot be excluded, it HAS TO BE USED, it is the only thing in that bottle that will keep bacteria from growing.

Are you actually saying that I am the 1st person to discover in the past 15 years that, EQ, Deca, Test Enanthate, Tren Acetate and others will suspend in pure oil and BA?

Deca will hold easily at 300mg/ml, Test Enanthate at 300mg/ml, Tren Ace at 100mg/ml with ZERO BB. So if it is not a necessary component, why would you use it? Why would you put more chemicals into a bottle that eventually ends up injected into your body if its NOT NECESSARY? And you want to claim that BB will destroy muscle tissue? Then if you didnt need it in the formula,WHY ADD IT?

How long have I been at this? Long enough to know if a guy suggests using 20% BB and an oven, he has no idea what he is saying.

A person is dangerous to be giving advice he is not knowledgeable or qualified about to people who might actually take that advice and apply it to a product that will be injected intramuscular and possible cause an infection or sickness.[/quote i'm not thr one who said 20%bb should ne used

 

[WpbMan]

I sent a picture of the cloudy vial to the supplier and he said many other customers got the same batch of cyp and had no issues. He said it may of gotten damp and oxidized somehow. Is there a way to dry powder?

 

[Holl]

I sent a picture of the cloudy vial to the supplier and he said many other customers got the same batch of cyp and had no issues. He said it may of gotten damp and oxidized somehow. Is there a way to dry powder?

IMO any good supplier should change the product. Just because someone else had no issues doesnt mean it is acceptable, but also that depends on if you accept it that way or not.

 

[WpbMan]

Okay update. I tried to re brew the cyp using different levels of BB and it still came out as shit. The supplier said he'll give me 10 grams for free on my next order and that the powder may have oxidized. I have alot of money invested in this homebrew set up and now Im only left with a shady supplier. I wish I could find a honest supplier.

 

[petrx]

Looks like the op got a little bit of steam into the batch , I'm guessing he used the a stove top to heat it up. Now I wonder, if steam did get into the batch which obviously means a couple of drops of water got in, is the gear no longer good? Hmm

 

[WpbMan]

I corrected this problem. I lowered the mg to 200mg/ml and heated everything very slowly. I think my problem was fast high heat.